Benefit Cheats (ADHD)

[Freakbro]

They cant buy crap pay subscriptions to services that they dont need with tokens so they could live on less. If things like sky, mobile contracts, broadband, running cars ect can be done by people who have claimed for long periods of time then they are getting too much money. If its lowerd and only given to them in tokens then we would save a fortune. They would also want a job as the shame of spending the tokens would be enough to make some people get a job.

My bit about sky etc was just being sarcastic

You do realise the VAST amount of the benefit bill is actually the housing benefit, the bit you are still happily paying, whereas the actual unemployment part of the benefit system is miniscule, so no, having a token system would not save a fortune at all....in fact all you are saying is the weekly amount of JSA is too much? Because all the other passive benefits like Council Tax, Housing etc won't be changed at all.

So just reduce the JSA if you feel that, no need to bring in another layer of bureaucracy that will cost to administer...Money is just a token after all, you just don't seem to like the fact it is universally accepted...

You just agreed with me saying that its easy for them to take out of the system via health care.

I know I did, I was just giving you the correct ammunition to rant about rather than the incorrect 'send em all back coz they all just sponge our benefits' mantra

 

[Souleh]

 

[Cupra]

My bit about sky etc was just being sarcastic

You do realise the VAST amount of the benefit bill is actually the housing benefit, the bit you are still happily paying, whereas the actual unemployment part of the benefit system is miniscule, so no, having a token system would not save a fortune at all....in fact all you are saying is the weekly amount of JSA is too much? Because all the other passive benefits like Council Tax, Housing etc won't be changed at all.

So just reduce the JSA if you feel that, no need to bring in another layer of bureaucracy that will cost to administer...Money is just a token after all, you just don't seem to like the fact it is universally accepted...




I know I did, I was just giving you the correct ammunition to rant about rather than the incorrect 'send em all back coz they all just sponge our benefits' mantra

I didnt give you a full low down on everything that needs changing I just said a few things. Theres someone I know who lives on benefits in a 4 bedroom house alone thats paid for by housing benefit this should also be stopped.

The measures I was stating in my previous post was not to save the maybe £10 per week on the JSA people but give them a bigger push to get back into work. The want to work needs to be greater for the people who will sit on the dole because they can get by and still have a few beers on a sat night. Thats what my aim was but there is many many many other things in the system that needs changing I never once said thats the only thing that needs changing.

I also didnt have the send them all back attitude either I said if they cant pay in then they cant get out or get out.

 

[Freakbro]

It would have been more fun if you had replied with 'Yes, we should shoot them all'

 

[MeEsH BaKkA]

This is the problem with this country. Stop caring about what people are getting for free off the state and work hard to get things they will never be able to get on handouts.

 

[Rotty]

This is the problem with this country. Stop caring about what people are getting for free off the state .

they are getting it free from the rest of us, from our hard work

 

[djxput]

prob is they dont do much about a lot of the big companies that are causing much of the tax issue - google amazon etc ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20560359

but back to benefits cheats ... I think it bothers more of us because its closer to home -
Its a general mentality - in the states the mentality is; if you dont work you dont eat
here its - if you dont work you get paid ...

not to say the states is necessary better; they have other issues that the uk doesnt - guns, open borders etc ...

 

[CREATIVE!11]

they are getting it free from the rest of us, from our hard work

so are companies and people getting bonuses from tax evasion?

U all mad?

 

[ubersonic]

What extra cost (i.e. £280 a month) does having a kid with "ADHD" incur anyway?

None whatsoever.

 

[Souleh]

If you are telling me receiving benefits and JSA is an attractive life style compared to "hard work" then who are to judge? You might aswell jump on the dole and allow someone else your job who might want to have a bit of self respect.

We are a civilised country and we look after our ill and disabled. If you want to second question every case without knowing details then you are wasting effort.
Ofcourse people will juice the system but if you value yourself and integrity then perhaps you should let sleeping dogs lie and get on with things. Theres bigger fish to fry

 

[ubersonic]

Pie chart

The big purple one is a made up number from an "activist" group, the tax justice networks figure are much larger and less accurate than the official ones. And the majority of the pink one will be tax avoidance which is perfectly legal.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

they are getting it free from the rest of us, from our hard work

They aren't getting the stuff I work hard for though.

I don't see anyone on benefits with a high end gaming pc, a Westfield, £5k of road + mountain bikes, going to Whilster snowboarding etc etc.

Those that moan that benefit claimants have a 42" tv and sky? Well, you can pick 2nd hand lcd 42" tv's up for £100 and sky boxes are £30 in my local cash converters. Also, my Dad is on DLA due to chrohns disease and shattered vertebrae in his back. I bought him his Tv, his car and I paid for them to take a holiday last year - don't assume that benefit claimants "luxuries" are paid for with thier benefits.

And don't believe the mail hype about big houses, foreign holidays and iphones and ipads - that's a tiny minority and that's usually the result of fraud anyway - and that's different from those that are genuinely entitled to the benefits.

Life on benefits is hard. Living a life of crime (either by benefit fraud or other criminal ways of obtaining funds) should not sully the genuine benefit claimants or thier genuine need.

None whatsoever.

My wife works with families with ADHD sufferers. There are extra costs - buts that's mainly transport to and from clinics - often specialist clinics many miles away. However, severe suffers often have other ailments - autism* a common one. A child with severe autism requires a much higher level of care than a normal child - often neccessitating one parent giving up work to care full time for the child.

Interestingly the diagnosis often changes for children diagnosed with both autism and ADHD - as they get older an ADHD diagnosis will commonly be repealled and the Autism diagnosis validated - the two are often confused win younger children hence a dual diagnosis. Something like 40% of children diagnosed with ADHD will later have a sole diagnosis of autism.

 

[Deleted User 234324]

You dont have to earn much to find you get nothing at all no matter how ill you are.Sadly you would both probably be better off or not far behind if you both pretended to be sick which is just wrong.

She could be disabled seriously and still not be entitled to one single penny and would have to rely solely on you for everything.I cannot imagine how bad it would be for someone to have to run for pocketmoney to another adult.Even worse if it was a disabled man who formally was active and had most of the control in the house.

This here is part of the problem, my ex's dad had a laundry list of problems, medical condition through the roof and had a double hip replacement, but because he owned his house and had over 16k in savings. He couldn't get a single penny from the government.

A chap down the road from him who had no "official" savings at all and didn't own his house is healthier and more mobile gets everything paid for and a brand new car every 3 years.

Great system isn't it.

 

[ubersonic]

My wife works with families with ADHD sufferers. There are extra costs - buts that's mainly transport to and from clinics - often specialist clinics many miles away. However, severe suffers often have other ailments - autism* a common one. A child with severe autism requires a much higher level of care than a normal child - often neccessitating one parent giving up work to care full time for the child.

Well yeah obviously if they also have autism the are going to be costs but ADHD alone adds virtually* nothing to the cost of raising a child.

*The is no conclusive proof that I wouldn't have destroyed those things anyway without ADHD

 

[Porceliamone]

Why do many immigrants come to the UK, including illegal immigrants who can face much danger and potential death in trying to do so?
Why travel all that way, (often through many different countries) including some "affluent" nations in Europe with the goal of getting to the UK? Does anyone have figures on those claiming asylum or choosing to emmigrate to other European nations?

This isn't a loaded question. I'm genuinely interested into hearing some facts/theories on this.

 

[MeEsH BaKkA]

they are getting it free from the rest of us, from our hard work

Quite, but it is something that will never change and will probably only get worse, getting worked up over something absolute is silly, I would rather focus on earning as much as possible and pay as little tax as legaly possible whilst planning on buying as many ex-council houses as I can over then next 10-15 years to rent to the dss and try an recoup some of my tax money

 

[hurfdurf]

Indeed, sadly people are really dumb and only want to attack others who they can see rather than the real problems. They are out in a terrible situation and rather than solve the problem they would much rather make sure everyone around them is equally bad off. It's very destructive and the OP should be ashamed of himself for being so spiteful.

 

[SB118]

Hell, I have dual sensory loss; 1 eye only, about 10% eyesight left in that with -27 prescription and moderate/severe hearing loss on both sides and even I only get the lower DLA rate.

Oh well, we can only wait for DLA to change to PIP, then the OP's autism spectrum guy will then have to have a face-to-face before the appeal can pass.

Does anybody know how the PIP applications are different to the DLA stuff? Never had to speak to anybody about it, just filled in the paperwork.

 

[MeEsH BaKkA]

The big colourful chart does not take into account the extra spending all this unpaid tax creates on Vat goods and general retail sales. Sure the big company's take the **** but I would rather the wages they pay in this country getting taxed than getting taxed in some other country. It's not black and white (or multi coloured in this case).

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

Indeed, sadly people are really dumb and only want to attack others who they can see rather than the real problems. They are out in a terrible situation and rather than solve the problem they would much rather make sure everyone around them is equally bad off. It's very destructive and the OP should be ashamed of himself for being so spiteful.

Agree 100%
But what do you expect from a bunch of 'Daily Fail/Sun' idiots that lack critical thinking or thinking for themselves for that matter!