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*yawn* more insults, getting personal, aggressiveness and trolling... Did you ever take the time to read the title of this thread? No? Thought not :)

Boring, boring, boring... Yes you're right, everthing you say is right, AGP is crap, Overclockers are ripping me and others off
Exsomnis said:
If you want to be overcharged for a stupidly small amount of options though, I guess that's fine, but most people don't like to be ripped off.
, yes you have a l337 rig that cost almost nothing and is great... Thanks for that, it helped me loads.. yada yada yada...

Thank you for your informative participation in this thread. The people that were talking about AGP and the 7800GS really appreciated your constant trolli... err contribution. I think you'll find we mentioned earlier we appreciate PCI-e is one upgrade (and a good one at that), so is the 7800GS+ AGP and it suits lots of us (several hundred already according to Gibbo). Please do continue to post telling us how we are wrong though, we certainly appreciate your well thought out, courtious and reasoned opinion...

I realise you feel we are all fools and "ignorant" and we thank you for enlightening us.. especially when you "lay out the facts" for those of us that are the hard of thinking and "stupid kids". I will try not "to cry" if you tell me about a "Volt mod".. I assume that it's something to do with passing additional electricity throught a printed circuit board to enhance it's "Pow3rz" and not some sort of battery powered Don on the forums here...

I'm sure there is a troll bridge you should be under waiting for someone to cross, or, of course feel free to make further repetative pointless posts trying to bully me and the others into agreeing with you. Perhaps you'd like to throw some more insults? You've added nothing contructive since your first post so I assume you must be building to some kind of point? Surely? I particularly value your thoughts as you investment in a socket 754 PCI-e motherboard show real infromed decision making and an eye for the future. We of the "investing in dead technology group" could perhaps benefit in some way from your experiences.

I await, with may I say, baited breath, to you adding plenty more to the thread, presumably all based on the novel idea that PCI-e motherboard and graphics card upgrade is the only way to go and anyone spending money on a AGP is one is.. well... just plain wrong.

I look forward to your next post with enthusiasm, perhaps you could help with the "sky is blue" proposition as well and explain to me (preferably with an insult or two) it can be other colours, blue is soooooo last year and Pink is the new way forward. I am ready to admit that i am wrong in assuming a blue sky could also be a good option.

BTW... Yyyyyou're gggggggreat!!!!!!!!!!! :D

** For the love of god will a don lock this thread :D **
 
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tmileson said:
*yawn* more insults, getting personal, aggressiveness and trolling... Did you ever take the time to read the title of this thread? No? Thought not :)
So now you're telling us on these forums that we're not allowed to offer an alternative solution to people in the market for upgrades? Even if it's cheaper, faster, and more diverse, we're not allowed to mention it? I think you should quit telling the people in this thread what they can and cannot say.

tmileson said:
Boring, boring, boring... Yes you're right, everthing you say is right, AGP is crap, Overclockers are ripping me and others off , yes you have a l337 rig that cost almost nothing and is great... Thanks for that, it helped me loads.. yada yada yada...
I didn't say that AGP was crap, and I didn't say that OCuk are ripping people of. Jesus, you really need to stop lying right now if you want people to take you the least bit seriously. AGP is okay but PCI-E is cheaper and better, and you ripped yourself off because OCuk has to price based on supply and demand if they want to make profit, so they can't help it.

I said that the best AGP solution (the 7800GS+) was slower and more expensive than a 7900GT and an nForce4 motherboard, and that if someone wanted to buy a different card then PCI-E has a huge range to suit everyone's particular needs, whereas AGP has one or two cards that are useful right now.

tmileson said:
Thank you for your informative participation in this thread. The people that were talking about AGP and the 7800GS really appreciated your constant trolli... err contribution. I think you'll find we mentioned earlier we appreciate PCI-e is one upgrade (and a good one at that), so is the 7800GS+ AGP and it suits lots of us (several hundred already according to Gibbo). Please do continue to post telling us how we are wrong though, we certainly appreciate your well thought out, courtious and reasoned opinion...
Who do you think you are, seriously? :rolleyes: Just because you're some sort of AGP obsessed person who doesn't like to hear the truth about how simply switching to PCI-E is a better option for upgraders, does not mean that you can claim the thread as "your thread" and tell anyone who disagrees with you what they are allowed and not allowed to say.

tmileson said:
You've added nothing contructive since your first post so I assume you must be building to some kind of point? Surely? I particularly value your thoughts as you investment in a socket 754 PCI-e motherboard show real infromed decision making and an eye for the future. We of the "investing in dead technology group" could perhaps benefit in some way from your experiences.
All I have added in this thread, besides a little condescending attitude for a certain ignorant troll, is facts. Facts that show PCI-E is cheaper, faster, and more diverse than sticking with AGP.

Yes, my CPU is "dead tech." What of it? I already told you that this is a fantastic CPU for its age, I mean it's clocked at 3800+ speeds why on earth would I need to upgrade it yet? Please give me a reason.

As I also already said, if my CPU were to randomly fry I would order a Socket 939 nForce4 board and an Athlon X2 3800+ to get into dual-core. But, you see, my CPU is not fried and it performs more than fine, so I have no need to.

tmileson said:
I await, with may I say, baited breath, to you adding plenty more to the thread, presumably all based on the novel idea that PCI-e motherboard and graphics card upgrade is the only way to go and anyone spending money on a AGP is one is.. well... just plain wrong.
Not "just plain wrong", as there are some people still using hardware that wouldn't go into a PCI-E motherboard. But for those who can find a board compatible with their CPU and RAM (which is easy and costs under £50) then they have a cheaper option right there which will give them a better range of faster cards to look at.

I feel like talking to a child when I am talking to you, I really really do. Easyrider, myself, and some others have tried to lay out the facts for you in a civil manner, but when you constantly mock and bait us, you're really just getting on our nerves.
 
Wow...a lot of people on about this AGP/PCI-E thing.

I will give my opinion now, it's going to be very short but productive I hope.

Ever heard of the old saying, if it ain't broke, don't fix it? Something like that :confused:.

Anyway, people who are still upgrading AGP Graphics cards, are doing so because they'd like a tad more performance in Games. They maybe don't want to upgrade to PCI-E because their computer works good for them. Being that the hardware market, is extremeley fast these days, especially as new things are comming out frequently, people are just going to keep blowing £££/$$$ and then 2 weeks later something better shall come out.

The argument between AGP/PCI-E is utter crap. Half of you guys don't even know what you're talking about, but then again, neither do I. Yes in some prespective AGP is quite a lot of money, well for the highend cards, and yes you could probably get a PCI-E mobo, and GPU for even less then an AGP card. But then you'd have to go to reformatting and all time and hassle, and most people these days don't want that.

Some people like to be unique and prove that their system is still as good as any others. And that's why maybe they still want to stick to AGP and not make a big move to PCI-E. If you have a problem with that, tell somebody who cares. :p
 
I've heard way too many horror stories about SATA Data corruption on nforce 4 mobos (way too many) and also pcie mobos only have a max of 3 PCI slots, most are 2 slots - I have 4 pci cards which I NEED so this instantly makes a PCIE upgrade instead of keeping my AGP system useless.


Why did they knock off 2 extra pci slots...


AGP still has oodle sof life yet and I'd hazard a bet that DX10 cards will come to AGP as well.
 
mrk said:
I've heard way too many horror stories about SATA Data corruption on nforce 4 mobos (way too many) and also pcie mobos only have a max of 3 PCI slots, most are 2 slots - I have 4 pci cards which I NEED so this instantly makes a PCIE upgrade instead of keeping my AGP system useless.


Why did they knock off 2 extra pci slots...


AGP still has oodle sof life yet and I'd hazard a bet that DX10 cards will come to AGP as well.


The MSI K8N Neo4-F nForce4 mobo is pci-e and has 4 pci slots.So Your arguement holds no ground. :)

Just out of interest what 4 pci cards do you use?

The nforce 4 is the one of most stable chipset that exist's BTW.Millions on millions of people use them with zero problems! LOL ;)
 
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I see you're back Easy. It's beyond me you and Exmthingamabob feel the need to keep coming to a thread about AGP videocards and continue to just try to contradict every single post anyone makes with "your argument holds no water" type comments.

We're perfectly well aware of what PCI-e is thank you as has been made amply clear in your 5 pages of rants. Anyone would think either your very insecure about your choice or you are on commission from the PCI-e police! :D

Thank you again for another informative post, i'm sure mrk appreciated having his comment slapped down in your attempt to prove you are right and everyone else is wrong.

Actually we're missing something, can we have an unsubstantiated claim in your inevitable next post follwed by FACT to prove it's true. Thanks, i've grown to miss those posts... :D

No idea why you continue to post in this thread.... oh... Hang on....

I remember.... trolly, trolly, trolly :)
 
easyrider said:
The MSI K8N Neo4-F nForce4 mobo is pci-e and has 4 pci slots.So Your arguement holds no ground. :)

Just out of interest what 4 pci cards do you use?

The nforce 4 is the one of most stable chipset that exist's BTW.Millions on millions of people use them with zero problems! LOL ;)

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It might have 4 slots but look at the spacing for slot 1, how is anyone meant to use a gfx card that takes up 2 slot spaces with 4 pci cards installed? there will be virtually no airflow for the fan unit on the gfx card at all leading to overheating and excessive noise levels from airway being blocked. Ia lready looked through that and there is no other option until board makers sort this out or VIA KT890 or above chipsets start appearing with more slots and more space.

My current board has 5 pci slots, slot 1 is always free so i have a full slots worth of airspace for my gfx cards cooler to be free, a board with 4 slots does not allow this at all if the gfx cards slot is directly above slot 1.
 
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tmileson said:
I see you're back Easy. It's beyond me you and Exmthingamabob feel the need to keep coming to a thread about AGP videocards and continue to just try to contradict every single post anyone makes with "your argument holds no water" type comments.

We're perfectly well aware of what PCI-e is thank you as has been made amply clear in your 5 pages of rants. Anyone would think either your very insecure about your choice or you are on commission from the PCI-e police! :D

Thank you again for another informative post, i'm sure mrk appreciated having his comment slapped down in your attempt to prove you are right and everyone else is wrong.

Actually we're missing something, can we have an unsubstantiated claim in your inevitable next post follwed by FACT to prove it's true. Thanks, i've grown to miss those posts... :D

No idea why you continue to post in this thread.... oh... Hang on....

I remember.... trolly, trolly, trolly :)

He said there were no pci-e mobo's with 4 pci slots.I pointed out that there are.

Thats all.

And that Nforce 4 is one of the most stable platforms that exist today.

Thats all.

:)
 
As already said, not everyone wants the hassle of changing to PCI-E. If some want to stick with AGP for whatever personal reasons, thats their choice, i don't see the problem. The 7800GS (7900GT) is no slouch either.
 
mrk said:
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It might have 4 slots but look at the spacing for slot 1, how is anyone meant to use a gfx card that takes up 2 slot spaces with 4 pci cards installed? there will be virtually no airflow for the fan unit on the gfx card at all leading to overheating and excessive noise levels from airway being blocked. Ia lready looked through that and there is no other option until board makers sort this out or VIA KT890 or above chipsets start appearing with more slots and more space.

My current board has 5 pci slots, slot 1 is always free so i have a full slots worth of airspace for my gfx cards cooler to be free, a board with 4 slots does not allow this at all if the gfx cards slot is directly above slot 1.

What pci cards are you using?
 
4 pci slots that are fully usable...


What pci cards are you using?

Soundcard
firewire400/800 card (needed for my DV camcorder among other things)
wifi card
tv card


Before say many of thos ecan be used by buying USB options, no, no they cannot, not without losing connectivity and functuality anyway.
 
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egt said:
As already said, not everyone wants the hassle of changing to PCI-E. If some want to stick with AGP for whatever personal reasons, thats their choice, i don't see the problem. The 7800GS (7900GT) is no slouch either.


Agreed.I'm not trying to convert people over to pci-e. :) Just merely highlighting the options that offer faster performance and more options to upgrade. :)
 
Exsomnis said:
ranted about stuff
Ahhh there you are, glad to see you and you're own particular brand of "the truth". I particularly like the bit where you say I'm lying and you never said anyone was being ripped off, despite me quoting your post where you did :D

Thanks again for the insults, you are, if nothing else consistant. Your continued out of context quoting also helps bring much more value to the people talking about an AGP card.

Of course you are allowed to post here, indeed we've grown to look forward to your comedy rants and seething. I suspect many people are tempted to buy an AGP card now just to see if you explode with rage when they tell you. :) I'm sad *sniff* to say the point of this thread died pages ago, although it's good to see even now, you and your stormtrooper new best buddy easythingy, are still community minded enough to sacrifice some of your day to come slap down anyone who mentions the dreaded AGP.

You sir, along with Easythingy have come to be firm favourites in my mind as trolls extrodinaire. Indeed your trolling skill and self righteous indignation are a wonder to behold. Your predictability and determination to disrupt anyone posting here has become something I accept in almost the same way as a small child that constantly interupts the grown ups. It's kinda cute to be honest...

This thread is all the more cozy for your rants, they give us a familiar feeling as you repeat, for 5 pages the same things in variations. Your skill at misreading posts or just ignoring incovinient posts and facts is now legendary.

We, of the AGP obsessed party continue to enjoy your cheerfull banter and personal attacks.

You're a lovely lovely poster, and I can't wait for your next troll... :D
 
easyrider said:
what type?

Soundcard?
what else?


I must have edited in the extra as you were typing, check out my reply again.


I should also note that I do mainly gaming and music/video editing which my 3200+ barton does fast enough and has never had problems.

Also for gaming it's a mute point, if you check the cpu scores on my ORB compared to people running A64 cpus the scores for my cpu are only a small amount less than theirs showing that modern games and gaming API applications rely more on GPU power than CPU power so an upgrade involving new cpu, mobo, psu and a new fresh windows install + lots of time to do it all in is of no use if the gains form it are just minimal and not worth the extra cost.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1764113
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=93650
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4591280


A top end AGP system is certainly no slouch when it comes to gaming and demanding applications.
 
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mrk said:
I must have edited in the extra as you were typing, check out my reply again.


I should also ote that I do mainly gaming and music/video editing which my 3200+ barton does fast enough and has never had problems.

Also for gaming it's a mute point, if you check the cpu scores on my ORB compared to people running A64 cpus the scores for my cpu are only a small amount less than theirs showing that modern games and gaming API applications rely more on GPU power than CPU power so an upgrade involving new cpu, mobo, psu and a new fresh windows install + lots of time to do it all in is of no use.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1764113
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=93650
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4591280


A top end AGP system is certainly no slouch when it comes to gaming and demanding applications.


I fully agree with you If you are on the socket A platform with enough clout in your CPU that it will not bottleneck a top end gfx card then sticking with an agp card is a valid option.

As a change of cpu and mobo is a overhaul.

However if one has a s939 or even s754 or even a s478 cpu and only a mobo is needed to get a cheaper faster GFX card.Then I see this has a viable alternative.

Ok it means swapping a mobo but but half an hour spent reaps the rewards IMO.

When you come to upgrade look at onboard solutions such as wifi and firewire too.A lack of slot in a mobo shoukld not hold you back.There are ways to get around it.
 
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mrk said:
:eek:

gotta see that again!




:D

If on socket A and there is no means of transfering CPU to,then yes.But one thing to bear in mind is that the socket A solution would be close to be being the bottleneck in such a system.

My x2 3800 I had running at stock 2ghz was the bottleneck with my old 7900 GT.

It was only when I clocked the x2 to 2.6ghz did the 7900 GT peform like it should.

So I would doubt a Socket A would offer the grunt needed TBH.Going on personal experience.
 
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A bottleneck for what though? my game performance is on par with what people are getting on the pci-e equivelant gfx card give or take 5-10 fps at 1280x1024 of course - at stock mind.
 
mrk said:
A bottleneck for what though? my game performance is on par with what people are getting on the pci-e equivelant gfx card give or take 5-10 fps at 1280x1024 of course - at stock mind.


A 7800 GS (7900 GT).You have a 6800 GT now which is considerably slower than the 7800 GS.

The 7600 GT on pci-e is faster than a 6800 GT.The card is still no slouch but not in the same league as a 7900 GT :)
 
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