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Best AGP card.

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tmileson said:
Now the last two posts were the reasoned discussion we were having back on page one, and i fully agree.

I stated that AGP was a dead technology and there was no upgrade path exactly like semi pro waster.

And you disagreed with me but not him.When we are both saying the same thing.

:confused:
 
LoadsaMoney said:
the best AGP card is the Gainward 7800+ GS which i mentioned on the first page. :D


Yip, i have to agree.

I will definately be going down that route as my current system is far from obsolete and i am pretty sure that the 7800+ will do me for at least another year.It is also far too much grief and expense to have to change a whole system just so i can get a new graphics card.Anyway in a years time, Vista should be out and there will probably be a PCI-e2 which will not be compatible with PCI-e and so i will be able to miss out a step in the technology evolution.

AGP is dead. Long live AGP!!
 
tmileson said:
What's the point in spending £400 on a top end DX9 card now when in a few months you'll be able to buy a DX10 one that's faster and supports the new standard... Same goes for the AGP version though.

Mid next year will be a good upgrade time. There should be enough DX10 games to make it worth while and we will have Gen 2 (or Gen 1 refresh) DX10 card to use with it, either paying £500 for the new cards of £300ish for the original DX10 ones.

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The top end cards are not 400 they are 320 the price you paid for your 7800 GS.

In a few months the DX 10 cards will be expensive with no games to play on them.By the time the games are available for the dX 10 cards the cards will be old hat and will be 2 or 3 generations behind.
 
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Gav said:
Yip, i have to agree.

I will definately be going down that route as my current system is far from obsolete and i am pretty sure that the 7800+ will do me for at least another year.It is also far too much grief and expense to have to change a whole system just so i can get a new graphics card.Anyway in a years time, Vista should be out and there will probably be a PCI-e2 which will not be compatible with PCI-e and so i will be able to miss out a step in the technology evolution.

You don't need to to cahnge to a whole new system though.Just get a pci-e mobo and use your existing cpu and ram.I have said this in a previous post.
 
easyrider said:
I stated that AGP was a dead technology and there was no upgrade path exactly like semi pro waster.

And you disagreed with me but not him.When we are both saying the same thing.

:confused:
Not even close.... he talked reasonably and went on to mention taking into account other things like having to change motherboard etc it may not be so clear cut. A sensible and balanced post.

You just posted agressively and had to continue to get personal and put in jibes at others. Most people here with the exception of you and Exmo have been open to the pluses and minus of both solutions and chatted in a friendly way.

You put forward (and continue to) your argument in a way that does not listen to or accept anyones opinion could be right for them or others. Some of us posted here to find stuff out and chat about the merits of both systems with open minds. You just wanted to bludgeon everyone into accepting you were right and everyone with a different opinion was wrong. Anyone who suggested AGP might be a good option were just slapped down without reason or facts.

Again with DX10 cards you are missing the point... The point is the DX10 cards will be faster than current DX9 ones anyway AND be DX10 compatible. For the same money you pay now for a top end DX9 card you'll get a faster card that will do DX10 as well.

I really don't propose to swap posts with you any further, I can only conclude you are just trolling...
 
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tmileson said:
Not even close.... he talked reasonably and went on to mention taking into account other things like having to change motherboard etc it may not be so clear cut. A sensible and balanced post.

You just posted agressively and had to continue to get personal and put in jibes at others. Most people here with the exception of you and Exmo have been open to the pluses and minus of both solutions and chatted in a friendly way.

You put forward (and continue to) your argument in a way that does not listen to or accept anyones opinion could be right for them or others. Some of us posted here to find stuff out and chat about the merits of both systems with open minds. You just wanted to bludgeon everyone into accepting you were right and everyone with a different opinion was wrong. Anyone who suggested AGP might be a good option were just slapped down without reason or facts.

Again with DX10 cards you are missing the point... The point is the DX10 cards will be faster than current DX9 ones anyway AND be DX10 compatible. For the same money you pay now for a top end DX9 card you'll get a faster card that will do DX10 as well.

I really don't propose to swap posts with you any further, You won't just drop it and I can only conclude you are just trolling...

My post covered the same ground as semi pro wasters and you agree with him.You disagreeing with me makes me believe you are trolling.Making it personal.We are both saying the same thing so how can me saying the same thing be wrong?

I have looked at the pluses and minus of the agp and pci-e cards in a freindly way offering clear cut information.

I cant see any pluses though with the agp option.Its slower and more expensive as we both know.But lets not go around in circles.

I'm not missing the point with DX 10 thanks.There will be limited games for the DX cards ands they will be more expensive.By the time the games come the card will be out of date,There is no point in getting a DX 10 card on release whatsover. ;)

I have already stated we should agree to disagree.
 
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Oh very mature.... Ok, you made me add a post... You can claim l337ness now... /sigh

A few people here have been discussing the AGP solution and said they want to go for it. They are all aware of the PPCI-e option and have said they don't want to do it. Why will you not let them discuss what they are doing in peace without intejecting with you "opinion" every post.

If it had of been at least friendly and open minded like loadsmoney and semi it would have been a good experience.

You however will not accept people decisions and continue, even on this page to try and bludgeon them into changing thier minds with agressive posts.

You sir are a troll, and that will, be my last reply to you, despite the fact i expect some follow up post telling me that I suck or something similar
 
tmileson said:
Again with DX10 cards you are missing the point... The point is the DX10 cards will be faster than current DX9 ones anyway AND be DX10 compatible. For the same money you pay now for a top end DX9 card you'll get a faster card that will do DX10 as well.

I think you've missed the point about DX10. :)
 
:)

i'm with you on DX10, just pointing out that even if there are few DX10 specific games about the card itself should be a worth while upgrade even for DX9 games... well, i'd hope so anyway!
 
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tmileson said:
:)

i'm with you on DX10, just pointing out that even if there are few DX10 specific games about the card itself should be a worth while upgrade even for DX9 games

It won't. It will be stupidly expensive with limited titles.By the time the games are in full flow you will have to buy another DX 10 card again to play them.

Defreating the object of getting a DX 10 card on release in the first place.
 
easyrider said:
It won't. It will be stupidly expensive
here... trolly, trolly, trolly... comon trolly, nice trolly... just keep disagreeing with everything anyone says... trolly...

Here... i have some troll bait for you...

"the Sky is Blue"

I expect apost about how somethimes it's grey and sometimes pink any second now...

LOL :D
 
tmileson said:
here... trolly, trolly, trolly... comon trolly, nice trolly... just keep disagreeing with everything anyone says... trolly...

Here... i have some troll bait for you...

"the Sky is Blue"

I expect apost about how somethimes it's grey and sometimes pink any second now...

LOL :D

Just because I disagree with you does not make me a troll.You are taking it personally.why?

Others will agree with me loadsamoney does is he a troll too?
There is a thread about DX 10 on thesed forums with people saying the same as me.DX 10 cards are ponitless to buy on release,

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17558904&highlight=dx10

Good grief :(
 
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LoadsaMoney said:
DX9 games wont run any faster on a DX10 card though. :)
really? I'm suprised... Not because of the DX10 bit, I just expected we'll see normal yearly increases in GPU speed, pipelines, memory bandwidth as we would with the current DX9 card. I suppose I just expected the DX10 bit to be a "as well as".

Will the G80 (or whatever it will be) really be no faster for DX9 than the G71 or whatever?

*edit* coz I really need a spell checker :)
 
tmileson said:
Thanks for your continued participation in this thread and the value you continue to add. We appreciate it. :D
I have plenty more to add to the thread, but you've made it clear over the last five pages that you're not willing to listen to anyone who says that making the switch to PCI-E is better value for money than upgrading an AGP card, so I don't see why I should bother.

If you simply disagreed, I wouldn't mind, but all you've done through this thread is lie through your teeth (claiming that I said PCI-E is more future proof, when I said nothing of the sort) and constantly disregard simple facts (that the 7900GT is a lot faster than the 7800GS+ and much cheaper, even if you chuck a motherboard on top of that order.)

Talking to you is like talking to a wall, a wall of ignorance to be specific. Just because you don't like what you hear, it must be wrong, and you seem to enjoy pretending people said things that they didn't just to kid yourself into thinking that you have a point whatsoever.

PCI-E: Cheaper, faster, and more diverse. Telling someone in the market for upgrading otherwise, unless the rest of their hardware is incompatible, is simply inconsiderate and will cost them more money.
 
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