BF4 Retail CPU scaling measured

PowerPie5000 · 31 Oct 2013 at 22:34

I'll be getting my 3770K new, then i know the CPU hasn't been abused. I bet i could easily get around £100 back just by selling my 3570k

. I also want an R9 280X and could probably get another £100 back from selling either my HIS 7950 IceQ Boost or my KFA2 GTX 660 Ti :cool:

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Martini1991 · 31 Oct 2013 at 22:35

No point getting an R280X from a 7950.

rolypolyman · 31 Oct 2013 at 22:38

teppic said:
I think that it's more likely that next gen games will work better on an 8320 (overclocked) than a 2500K, because of the lack of HT. This is also what game developers say. But you could still sell your 2500K and get a 2nd hand 3770K?

Well that's what I thought too, what with Amd ruling the consoles and all the talk of utilising more cores. I've always been happy to buy Intel or Amd and usually go for pound\performance. As I said above I don't do second hand but I would like to try and get the best out of my xfire 7950.

PowerPie5000 · 31 Oct 2013 at 22:39

Martini1991 said:
No point getting an R280X from a 7950.

I can't really afford £400+ for a GTX 780 or R9 290X and i'll probably need to change my PSU for those too!... I suppose i could wait and see how the R9 290 turns out (i hope it runs cooler). I definitely want a CPU with more threads though as i don't intend on building a whole new PC for some time.

The 280X is still better than my 7950, even if it's not by much. Does the Radeon HD 7xxx series support Mantle and/or DX 11.2?

Martini1991 · 31 Oct 2013 at 22:52

The R280X is just a 7970, overclocking a 7950 is going to lead to single digit percentage differences.
The 7950 *should* support everything the R280X does, AMD are the peoples champion and all that.

rolypolyman said:
Well that's what I thought too, what with Amd ruling the consoles and all the talk of utilising more cores. I've always been happy to buy Intel or Amd and usually go for pound\performance. As I said above I don't do second hand but I would like to try and get the best out of my xfire 7950.

If you were to jump ship, I wouldn't jump from one dead platform to another.

Look for deals on i7's, to be honest, it is the only way to get the absolute best out of the 7950 Crossfire in as many situations as possible.

Or wait for AM3+'s successor, that'll certainly > 2500K in newer games.

PowerPie5000 · 31 Oct 2013 at 23:00

Martini1991 said:
The R280X is just a 7970, overclocking a 7950 is going to lead to single digit percentage differences.
The 7950 *should* support everything the R280X does, AMD are the peoples champion and all that.

It appears the 'Asus R9 280X DirectCU II TOP' is close to the GTX 780 in some benchmarks (it's around the GTX 770 performance level in others)... It's certainly faster than a 7950 Boost when both are running stock. I know my 7950 can OC quite well, but the power draw can increase dramatically!

Maybe i should just wait for the R9 290... I'll wait for a non-reference cooler version to be released though

. I'm still set on changing my 3570k for a 3770k though, but purely for future game releases that take advantage of all 8 threads.

Martini1991 · 31 Oct 2013 at 23:03

A fully clocked 7950 will be pretty close to a 780 too.

ALXAndy · 31 Oct 2013 at 23:08

There's nothing wrong with the 2600k either if price concerns you.

But yes, I would say you will want, possibly even need, 8 threads for the future. The nice thing is once the games start hitting you should be safe with any 8 threaded CPU for the duration of the consoles, what with it being a closely tied architecture (X86).

PowerPie5000 · 31 Oct 2013 at 23:10

ALXAndy said:
There's nothing wrong with the 2600k either if price concerns you.

The 2600K is a decent chip, but i also want to keep PCI-E 3.0 compatibility

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ALXAndy said:
But yes, I would say you will want, possibly even need, 8 threads for the future. The nice thing is once the games start hitting you should be safe with any 8 threaded CPU for the duration of the consoles, what with it being a closely tied architecture (X86).

And the new consoles are already behind when compared to gaming PCs... I think the AMD chips they use are clocked around 1.6Ghz or 2GHz which is pretty weak if it were a PC (and AMD based too!). But consoles can rely on heavy optimisation which unfortunately PC gamers don't see too often with console ports. Hopefully that trend will now change now though.

rolypolyman · 31 Oct 2013 at 23:17

ALXAndy said:
There's nothing wrong with the 2600k either if price concerns you.

But yes, I would say you will want, possibly even need, 8 threads for the future. The nice thing is once the games start hitting you should be safe with any 8 threaded CPU for the duration of the consoles, what with it being a closely tied architecture (X86).

ALXAndy I see your setup would be similar to what I'm considering, sli 670 being close to xfire 7950 etc, how do you find your 8core Fx chip with your sli 670's.

ALXAndy · 31 Oct 2013 at 23:26

rolypolyman said:
ALXAndy I see your setup would be similar to what I'm considering, sli 670 being close to xfire 7950 etc, how do you find your 8core Fx chip with your sli 670's.

It's been excellent and treated me very well. Have played through Crysis 3 a few times now (well, up until the last level where it gets terribly boring) and it just chugs along nicely

Have also played through Metro Last Light 1.5 times now (had to pack up my gear until I move) and again, nice and smooth. Same goes for Tomb Raider.

You'll find that SLI works better on AMD chipsets than Crossfire which is quite hilarious really, but yeah, even in benchmarks I can wee with the big boys

I think this says it all really...

My GPUs cost me half of what a Titan costs, my CPU half of what a 4770k costs. Yet my rig comes out on top.

~>Dg<~ · 31 Oct 2013 at 23:34

Martini1991 said:
A fully clocked 7950 will be pretty close to a 780 too.

benchmarked mine is 5 fps lower

rolypolyman · 31 Oct 2013 at 23:36

Thanks ALXAndy you have convinced me!

PowerPie5000 · 31 Oct 2013 at 23:37

~>Dg<~ said:
benchmarked mine is 5 fps lower

Your 7950 is 5fps slower than a GTX 780? What's your overclock? I know my 7950 trounces my factory oc'd GTX 660 Ti

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~>Dg<~ · 31 Oct 2013 at 23:40

1200/1575

best thing is that benchmark is biased again lol.

card they used asus ares 2 2 cards which favour i7s show any other than dualcards

then see the difference everything is neck and neck. if you going to post silly benchmarks do it fair or not at all.

single card config and any i5 will be just the same.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 31 Oct 2013 at 23:44

rolypolyman said:
Hi, ok can anyone answer this. Currently I have a 2500K and xfire 7950. Would I get less bottlenecking with an FX6300 or FX8320 in Crysis3, FarCry3 or BF4?

TBH,with a Core i5 2500K,especially if you overclock it,it will still be a decent CPU IMHO. If there is a situation where you need more performance,you can always get a Core i7 3770K at a later date and you also get PCI-E 3.0 too.

spoffle · 31 Oct 2013 at 23:58

Martini1991 said:
AMD and Nvidia are always good at making noise, but we very rarely get anything substantial from it.

Take TressFX, it was a one hit wonder (And IMO sucked)

Mantle is completely different, but it's all too similar, it has potential as Marine says, until we see sustained results, that's all it has.

There's also noise about OpenGL and it having low level support at the same level as Mantle ; From the Software "genius" Carmack.

If that is the case, OpenGL being readily used would open up gaming massively, native Linux and Mac gaming and efficiently.

It doesn't really make sense to say TressFX is a one hit wonder, as it relies on being implemented in to games for it be used.

More games are reportedly using it. I don't think it's particularly important in how it was used in Tomb Raider, but any hardware accelerated physics that ISN'T PhysX is a good thing.

Sure, it's still proprietary, but not being restricted to one hardware vendor's products is definitely a step in the right direction to getting developers familiar, which will hopefully lead the way to an open hardware accelerated physics standard that isn't controlled by any company selling the hardware that runs it.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 1 Nov 2013 at 00:04

TressFX works quite well on my GTX660,so it seems to be not artificially locked out like PhysX.

PowerPie5000 · 1 Nov 2013 at 00:23

~>Dg<~ said:
1200/1575

Wow! I don't have the balls to oc my 7950 that much!

... I just oc'd mine to 1100MHz (memory running stock) and i obtained these 3Dmark results (with a bit of coil whine at that speed i might add :eek:

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http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/1525933

... My RAM is actually running at 800MHz (DDR3 1600) despite 3Dmark showing it as 667MHz :rolleyes:

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setter · 1 Nov 2013 at 00:28

wazza300 said:
bf4 this,bf4 that

play some other games

True, yet to play bf4 retail. But as its the new wave demanding game it will be the defacto performance judging game.