BFG 8800 GTX/GTS arriving at OcUK soon and some images for you all!!

Tooks · 27 Oct 2006 at 12:55

Ooh, this is the game is it?!

Ok then, well, I can't wait to be laughing when I'm playing all of those same games in DX9 mode on my £120 7800GT Extreme, after you've spent £199 on your X1900XT, and all this whilst I wait for the G80 refresh to fall to £XXX...

Jeez, have you guys stopped to listen to yourselves?!

(ps Yes, I did get my 7800GT for that price, anybody remember the 'wrong price' 7800GT episode on here a while back?!)

Olly · 27 Oct 2006 at 12:57

i'll be getting one

Darkwave · 27 Oct 2006 at 12:58

Tooks said:
Ooh, this is the game is it?!

Ok then, well, I can't wait to be laughing when I'm playing all of those same games in DX9 mode on my £120 7800GT Extreme, after you've spent £199 on your X1900XT, and all this whilst I wait for the G80 refresh to fall to £XXX...

Jeez, have you guys stopped to listen to yourselves?!

(ps Yes, I did get my 7800GT for that price, anybody remember the 'wrong price' 7800GT episode on here a while back?!)

Yeah but I wouldn't be laughing at you because you obviously have sense there.

Both of us get what we paid for, these people are going to blow £500 on nothing.

The 7950GX2 for £330 is still the much better buy IMHO, unless you step-up to 8800GTX from that.

Tom|Nbk · 27 Oct 2006 at 13:14

DX10,

this springs to mind.

krooton · 27 Oct 2006 at 13:15

Tom|Nbk said:
DX10,

this springs to mind.

For mugs?

Darkwave · 27 Oct 2006 at 13:16

LOL I thought he was saying that his cup was half empty or something in regards to DirectX 10, I didn't get the mugs thing until I read that reply. :eek:

God I'm slow.

Durzel · 27 Oct 2006 at 13:24

I don't think DX10 is for mugs, but since its an architectural change its going to take time to become the standard. This is made doubly worse by the fact that it requires a brand new OS (Vista) to use it.

In essence therefore DX10 has a price tag on it, and not a small one at that. That alone is going to be enough to mean that it is the sole province of the rich and stupid for quite some time.

Of course if it turns out that DX10 is ridiculously faster than DX9 (and by implication the cards are too) then that'll work in its favour, but as with most chicken and egg problems (e.g. PhysX and the whole physics card debate) it won't be mainstream until significant numbers of people have bought it, and significant people aren't going to "buy" DX10 until they either don't have a choice or see enough benefits to validate the purchase. And until games start using it to its full potential there isn't going to be significant benefits.... you see the paradox?

My gut feeling is that Vista and by implication DX10 won't be anywhere close to mainstream until a good 6-12 months after release, by which time there could've been at least 1 or 2 iterations of graphics cards as ATI and Nvidia iron out the yield, performance, etc.

I'm still firmly of the opinion that people buying this round of "new" tech are basically just guinea pigs. And if those people don't mind paying £500 to be test subjects then more fool them.

Despite the horrific depreciation of brand new cards there are still good and bad times to buy this kit, and this - imo - is definitely not a good time.

Darkwave · 27 Oct 2006 at 13:26

Durzel said:
people aren't going to "buy" DX10 until they either don't have a choice or see enough benefits to validate the purchase. And until games start using it to its full potential there isn't going to be significant benefits.... you see the paradox?

...

I'm still firmly of the opinion that people buying this round of "new" tech are basically just guinea pigs. And if those people don't mind paying £500 to be test subjects then more fool them.

My sig says it all, it's a quote from the guy developing Unreal Engine 3.

Edit: Quoted the wrong bit.

Tom|Nbk · 27 Oct 2006 at 13:28

im pretty sure i also heard somewhere nvidia are offerig limited edition mugs to the first 500 card's sold. ok ill stop now

Macro · 27 Oct 2006 at 13:42

On the bright side there will be a whole lot of people using G80 /R600 cards giving them ~10 to 20% more performance on a single GPU solution that even the most powerfull dual GPU solutions availble from the current gen..

Yes folks, that's a single GPU 10 - 20% faster than todays quickest DUAL gpu solutions...

It'll cost only ~£150 more which will almost certainly be recovered when being sold in a years time or so second hand compared to current GX2 cards (who on earth is going to want to pay a lot for a second hand DX9 only card for gaming in a year / 18 months time). All this means (and i'm typing this slowly for a certain someone who has a problem reading posts properly

) over a year it'll have cost almost nothing more but will have given better performance, DX10 and the possibility of adding a second card later for stocking performance.

So, better performance, more features, better resale values and current gen technology vs old technology for around the same price give or take a few quid.

Of course this really only applies in terms of if you were going to buy a new card now, not if you already have a high end card.

No wonder the GX2/1900 stalwarts posting here are bitter

Darkwave · 27 Oct 2006 at 13:43

Athanor said:
No wonder the GX2/1900 stalwarts posting here are bitter

Who's bitter? I spent £199 on my X1900XT and will be playing the same games. :rolleyes:

I will spend £199 on the G80/R600 refresh when it's been out some time and DX10 is actually used. :cool:

See my sig, I sincerely hope you decide to buy an 8800GTX so that I can laugh.

Macro · 27 Oct 2006 at 13:53

So in a years time you will have spent £400, I'll have spent maybe £450 - £500, have better performance & DX10 support for a year and better resales value.

Enjoy, I know I will

Durzel · 27 Oct 2006 at 13:54

Athanor said:
So in a years time you will have spent £400, I'll have spent maybe £450 - £500, have better performance & DX10 support for a year and better resales value.

Enjoy, I know I will

If you think the card is going to be only £50 cheaper in a years time then you're a bigger idiot than you already appear to be (by admitting to buying one to begin with).

Also, care to substantiate the "10-20% faster single GPU solution" point, or did you just pull it out of your backside? Because the benchmarks I've seen so far - 8800GTX is marginally slower than X1900 Crossfire, and costs practically the same if not more... so what's this awesome new tech actually achieving?

You're exactly the kind of user that these tech sites and Gibbo must LOVE - idiots who can't think for themselves, believe hype about DX10 and Vista on pure face value without even daring to question it, and wallets as cavernous as their skulls.

jrodga2k5 · 27 Oct 2006 at 13:59

Durzel said:
If you think the card is going to be only £50 cheaper in a years time then you're a bigger idiot than you already appear to be (by admitting to buying one to begin with).

Indeed a card with equal peformance of the one u will buy this year will be able to be bought at some price like £149-199 mid range card no doubt and the cards will clealry top around £350 once ATi get to the market!

Remember this and remember this well, NVIdia at the moment have Direct x 10 full sales control....(even tho dx10 doesnt exist for us yet) as there is no competition! They can charge ridiculous prices just now, which will in turn drop when there is some competition in that market sector.... i.e ATi!

But of course we all know what is about to happen......

may the willy waving comence!

gt_junkie · 27 Oct 2006 at 14:01

I think everyone just needs to calm down a bit! I'm interested in dx10 for sure and i'm also sure that you'll see real benefits eventually but i think the argument (and that's what it's become) has become a little longwinded and agressive!

Just sit back and enjoy!

gt

Tooks · 27 Oct 2006 at 14:05

gt_junkie said:
I think everyone just needs to calm down a bit! I'm interested in dx10 for sure and i'm also sure that you'll see real benefits eventually but i think the argument (and that's what it's become) has become a little longwinded and agressive!

Just sit back and enjoy!

gt

Here here!!

Darkwave · 27 Oct 2006 at 14:07

I don't think that these discussions would become aggressive if the kids would stop saying "ZOMG I will have DX10 and you will not, nyer nyer!" and "Jump on the DX10 boat or be left behind with your old tech."

Your mother has a decent credit rating, we get it. :rolleyes:

Doesn't mean we're going to swallow all the hype.

Macro · 27 Oct 2006 at 14:15

Durzel said:
If you think the card is going to be only £50 cheaper in a years time then you're a bigger idiot than you already appear to be (by admitting to buying one to begin with).

Also, care to substantiate the "10-20% faster single GPU solution" point, or did you just pull it out of your backside? Because the benchmarks I've seen so far - 8800GTX is marginally slower than X1900 Crossfire, and costs practically the same if not more... so what's this awesome new tech actually achieving?

You're exactly the kind of user that these tech sites and Gibbo must LOVE - idiots who can't think for themselves, believe hype about DX10 and Vista on pure face value without even daring to question it, and wallets as cavernous as their skulls.

And you are exactly the kind of user that gives these forums a bad name for absuive, ill informed and vacuos posts based on your own preconceptions with no respect or regard for anyones else point of view.

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Ulfhedjinn said:
I don't think that these discussions would become aggressive if the kids would stop saying "ZOMG I will have DX10 and you will not, nyer nyer!" and "Jump on the DX10 boat or be left behind with your old tech."

Your mother has a decent credit rating, we get it. Doesn't mean we're going to swallow all the hype.

What is it with you lot that makes you so angry and rude. Are you really so insecure that you feel threatened by anyone suggesting they may buy a new technology GPU that you feel the need to abuse them rather than a cheerfull "/shakes fist with envy" that some of the more good natured posters to this thread have enjoyed some good natured badanage with.

Some of us work for a living and may well be able to afford G80/R600s and will enjoy them. If you don't want one, fine, but go play quietly somewhere else rather than keep throwing your toys out of the pram at people that have minds and money of their own and don't want to succumb to your point of view.

Sheesh, some people really do have attitude problems....

Darkwave · 27 Oct 2006 at 14:18

Athanor, you argue in these threads as much as anybody. :rolleyes:

Macro · 27 Oct 2006 at 14:21

Ulfhedjinn said:
Athanor, you argue in these threads as much as anybody.

Nope, I just posted a single post initialy and then ended up being attacked by you. Almost everything I've posted since has been defending myself from your abuse and incorrect statements.

It bugs me that you feel you have the right try to beat down anyone elses point of view with rude and agressive posts rather than a cheerful debate or discussion