Big Fight: Mayweather v Marquez

[Big Kev]

Mayweather was just too good for Marquez, who rarely got off any decent punches to trouble Mayweather, who seemed able to hit Marquez at will and get straight out of range.

I'm not convinced that Pacman would fair much better either, with Mayweather's height and reach proving too much for him as well, but that's a while away.

Shane Mosley might fair a bit better, but I think Money is too good for anyone at the moment.

 

[sunama]

Shane Mosley might fair a bit better, but I think Money is too good for anyone at the moment.

Hang on a minute. Are you saying that there is a boxer, who goes by the name of 'Money'?

EDIT: Oh I get it. Floyd "Money" Mayweather. LOL.

 

[Makunouchi]

Right, was finally able to watch the full card.

As soon as Mayweather took his robe off I thought: "He's won."

He looked massive compared to Marquez and Juan simply stood no chance against such massive physical differences, Mayweather had the height and reach advantage, and was fighting at a much higher weight, which really made all the difference. That being said I think the fight would have gone much the same way if Mayweather had of made the correct weight BUT would he even have been able to do that? Seems to me like he never intended to, and that makes him a sneaky ******* ******* in my eyes, I'm not impressed at all. And while he speed was impressive, his fighting style is far from the 'ultimate in entertainment' that he constantly mouths off about, a man with a good left can rule the world, but it's so boring to watch.
At the end I felt sorry for Marquez, he wasn't able to gain any momentum or pace and was never able to let his arms go properly, and when he did it was like hitting a brick wall, because Mayweather was just so much bigger all round, his punches had no impact and as soon as it went past the 5th (because of the knockdown) I knew the fight was over because Juan had no chance of forcing a KO. It was a humiliating defeat for him, but in my eyes it was a match up he should never have been made to fight.

As for Mayweather vs. Pacquiao after what we saw last night? What weight class the fight takes place at will be absolutely key. If Mayweather acts like a real godamn professional and makes a lower weight, Pacquiao has every chance of beating him, if he fights at whatever weight pleases him with no regard to rules or contract than we may very well see another repeat of last night. But I don't call that sportsmanship and I don't call it entertainment. However Pacquiao fights totally differently to Marquez and I think his rhythm and foot work would go a long way to neutralise Mayweather's jab. If I was Pacman watching that fight last night I'd be thinking that I had to spend the next few months relentlessly practicing body punches, because while Mayweather can pull his head round fast, his body stays in the same place, and I reckon a hard body puncher could work his body in the first half of a fight and then go for a KO in the second half. It's the way I'd do it at least.

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

If I was Pacman watching that fight last night I'd be thinking that I had to spend the next few months relentlessly practicing body punches, because while Mayweather can pull his head round fast, his body stays in the same place, and I reckon a hard body puncher could work his body in the first half of a fight and then go for a KO in the second half. It's the way I'd do it at least.

That's what I thought. He spun his shoulders so every right either hit his back or missed completely. If Pacman feints the right to the head and goes for the body he'll get him smack back in the ribs.

 

[Smit]

Oscar tried to go for the body but didn't have too much of an effect.

PacMan v Mayweather won't happen I don't think. Both too greedy and of course there's the whole situation with Mayweather not doing deals with Arum. Also PacMan will want to dictate the weight when it really should be at 147lbs.
If you want to fight at Welterweight then fight at Welterweight, it's stupid having these catch weight fights. If you aren't big enough then too bad! Bulk up or shut up and fight someone else. Don't force someone else to drain more than they can or drain so much they have nothing left. Ok PacMan v Cotto is at 145 but that's still 2lbs lower than what Cotto has been used to for the past 3 years.

 

[Makunouchi]

Don't force someone else to drain more than they can or drain so much they have nothing left.

That's part of boxing! Being able to make weights and perform when your at a physical disadvantage is a show of a great boxer, just staying at your most comfortable natural weight like Mayweather is doing is cowardice.

 

[Smit]

That's part of boxing! Being able to make weights and perform when your at a physical disadvantage is a show of a great boxer, just staying at your most comfortable natural weight like Mayweather is doing is cowardice.

That's kind of broken logic surely?
Draining to make weight as long as you can do it safely and easily enough IS giving you an ADVANTAGE not a disadvantage since you are so much bigger than your opponent. PacMan has been doing this for a while and so have the majority of boxers.

I fail to see how it is possible to that Mayweather being a natural Welterweight puts him at an Advantage when the division is full of men FAR FAR bigger and heavier than him. Puts him at a HUGE disadvantage against the likes of Paul Williams, Mosley, Clottey, Margarito etc that can make the weight easily but are NOT natural Welterweights, they cut to make weight.

 

[Makunouchi]

as long as you can do it safely and easily enough

Well there's the thing right there.

 

[Yas786]

Showing highlights of the fight on Sky sports 2 now...in case anyones interested.

 

[Smit]

I agree...

It's just I really didn't like Oscar having to cut so much to face PacMan and also Cotto having to do so now too. Cotto struggled really badly to make Light Welter and he doesn't exactly look great at weighins at Welterweight so those 2 lbs will be really difficult for him to make. PacMan is naturally a heavy guy, I have no idea how he managed to cut so much though.

 

[Caseh]

I don't see the problem with Mayweather not changing weight. He's got the reputation as the best, and now everyone want's to fight him. Why should he have to change weights so they can do it easier? Surely if they want to challenge him, they have to do it on his terms?

If they aren't willing to do that, they don't deserve to fight him.

 

[Dugganator]

I don't see the problem with Mayweather not changing weight. He's got the reputation as the best, and now everyone want's to fight him. Why should he have to change weights so they can do it easier? Surely if they want to challenge him, they have to do it on his terms?

If they aren't willing to do that, they don't deserve to fight him.

Makes sense he has proven that he is the best at his weight I dont think he should have to go up or down a weight level. Dont get me wrong I dislike the person but love the boxer.

 

[Makunouchi]

PacMan is naturally a heavy guy

Is he? He started out at Flyweight and has slowly moved up through the weight classes over the years as he has built up his physique and conquered the weight classes as he moved through them. He looks good at the weights he's fighting at now but he also looked equally as natural at the lower ones.

 

[thedoc46]

Is he? He started out at Flyweight and has slowly moved up through the weight classes over the years as he has built up his physique and conquered the weight classes as he moved through them. He looks good at the weights he's fighting at now but he also looked equally as natural at the lower ones.

As did Floyd Mayweather, who started his career at Super Featherweight, then moved onto lightweight..

But yes, Floyd will be the bigger of the two.. however he's not a natural welterweight... Well maybe now but certainly not at the start of his career..

 

[Makunouchi]

As did Floyd Mayweather, who started his career at Super Featherweight, then moved onto lightweight..

Wasn't aware of that, thanks.

 

[Sutters]

Pacman won't be a threat either, he isn't a great boxer, he does have incredible phyiscal talent, but so does Maywhether plus he bigger and infinitely more skilled.

Mosley has a better chance, but he won't beat him either. It's a shame he's such a prat, I suppose he's trying to emulate Ali.

 

[C64]

Pacman won't be a threat either, he isn't a great boxer, he does have incredible phyiscal talent, but so does Maywhether plus he bigger and infinitely more skilled.

Mosley has a better chance, but he won't beat him either. It's a shame he's such a prat, I suppose he's trying to emulate Ali.

let's see if your opinion changes when pac ko's cotto

 

[Makunouchi]

Which, in my opinion, he will easily do. Cotto is in my eyes at least a very over rated fighter, he's been troubled by far too many opponents that should have been walk overs, he's holding onto his ~top 5 position by the skin of his teeth.

 

[Smit]

Is he? He started out at Flyweight and has slowly moved up through the weight classes over the years as he has built up his physique and conquered the weight classes as he moved through them. He looks good at the weights he's fighting at now but he also looked equally as natural at the lower ones.

PacMan is just a freak tbh that somehow can cut an insane amount of weight and not be too damaging to him.

Pacquiao's walking weight (between fights) is around 150lbs and Mayweathers only around 154lbs so there is very little difference between the two outside of the ring.

Pac started fighting at a lower weight but it's not like Mayweather has always been at Welter, he was a Super Featherweight for quite a while.

 

[Johnnytoxic]

Styles Make Fights

Pac and Marquez was close because Pac likes to go toe to toe when he can. Marquez is far to stationary on his feet to be any threat to Mayweather. He doesn't move around the ring enough.

Pac vs Mayweather will be an entirely different fight. Pac's superstar status will force Mayweather to weigh in at a disadvantaged weight and won't just be a few hundred grand compensation if he goes over like he did with Marquez. If Mayweather weighs in more than he should, I'm sure the fight will not go ahead.