Bladerunner 2 (Spoilers!)

I think the trailers have been great, particular the teaser. But if cinema has taught me one thing, it's to NEVER have your opinion made up by a trailer. I'm sure every one of us has thought a film looked sublime based on it's trailer, only for us to see the finished product and think it was a pile of **** (Prometheus... yeah, I'm looking at you my friend) and vice versa.

Pointless judging it at all until we at least have some reviews to look over.
 
As i said previously - whoever's making this, doesn't seem to understand Blade Runner universe - it doesn't look right - too bright, too HDR-y, too Luc Besson...
 
v0n said:
As i said previously - whoever's making this, doesn't seem to understand Blade Runner universe - it doesn't look right - too bright, too HDR-y, too Luc Besson...
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Ehh, it's too early too call. Plus, the story takes place 30 years on. As well as that, it's a different movie. Bladerunner is an absolute classic and any attempt to equal any aspect of it's style would be pointless. Best just to take inspiration from it.

Who knows. Dennis Villeneuve is one of the best Directors working today and I've no doubt he'll give us something worth watching.
 
It is nice to see this.
LETO has solved the worlds hunger issues, in 2036 he wants the replicant programme reopened for whatever means he has in mind.
He demonstrates a nexus 8. Batty and co were nexus 6 iirc.
Will await the next two movies prior to the films release.

This backstory looks fine, on an Earth that is in better shape than 2019, its been partially fixed, but it dying, overused.
 
v0n said:
As i said previously - whoever's making this, doesn't seem to understand Blade Runner universe - it doesn't look right - too bright, too HDR-y, too Luc Besson...
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If this forum was around at the time the original was released, before it attained the status it has now, I'd wager you'd find a load of stuff to moan about regarding it too :D
 
I had not realised Mr Villeneuve is cue'd up for remaking Dune next (the variety article also comments on reduced green screen use in BR2 - is that really a badge of honor though ?)

The new 4K bladerunner release is due tomorrow, so might hope some cinemas will take that up, since as Dowie implies it was not in the top 10 during original release (competing with ET & Rocky3)
 
dowie said:
If this forum was around at the time the original was released, before it attained the status it has now, I'd wager you'd find a load of stuff to moan about regarding it too :D
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No, I wouldn't. Blade Runner is my favourite movie. It was in my top five favourite movies when I first saw theatrical release, it became my favourite movie when Director's Cut came out, and remains my favourite movie after Final Cut was released. As a lifetime fan of this story I never needed continuation, I never yearned for a sequel and I never asked to see what happens next. To me, from the get go this movie wrecks more legacy than it could possibly phantom and to be honest, after the other movies in my top-5-of-lifetime were wrecked by George Lucas' geriatric infantile SW prequel trilogy and endless Alien sequels, prequels, sequels to prequels and semi detached bizarro world "cross overs" and "adjacent" movies - I just wish they all forked off and left at least one of my favourite stories alone. I'm sure it's going to be kick bottom sci fi movie full of handsome CGI and entertaining fights by pretty actors and actresses, but I don't quite understand the urge to mix this production with legacy of PKD world - what they showcased don't fit the genre and do not resemble the sci fi noire tone of Blade Runner in the slightest.

Plus, dowie, one thing you should know about my critiques, since you are following me around to moan about it - everything I argue for or propose would aways make the product better. I criticise because I believe viewers, like you, deserve better. You're welcome.
 
I've not followed you around, I've just noticed you moaning repeatedly in a thread about probably the best TV show currently running (and one of the best shows since the Wire and the Sopranos) and then popped into this thread and surprise surprise you're moaning again ergo I'd suspect you'd probably have done the same had the original been released today. I'm well aware that everyone loves it now and it is one of everyone's top favourite movies etc..

Personally I'll wait until the new movie has actually been released before judging it - why not wait and watch it without preconceptions or wanting to dislike it because it's mere existence somehow annoys you - you never know, you might actually like it if you go in with an open mind.

The trailers don't look too bad IMO and I think any comparison to some of the more modern Star Wars prequels is premature to say the least!
 
v0n said:
Plus, dowie, one thing you should know about my critiques, since you are following me around to moan about it - everything I argue for or propose would aways make the product better. I criticise because I believe viewers, like you, deserve better. You're welcome.
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lol, well that bit's entirely in your opinion, but i have to say, yes, BR is a film that was wrapped up and self-contained and the ending was all it should be. there are films that cry out for a sequel and never get one, there are those that shouldn't EVER get one [hello, Highlander], it seems very rare that the two marry up correctly.
as for BR, i've only seen the original and the director's cut; i liked the addition of the unicorns etc, but the removal of the noir talk-over was hugely disappointing to me. probably pick this up when i see it in Poundland, don't really have a burning urge to chase it up before then.
 
Oh god if v0n opinions and ideas will make any production better why haven't Hollywood snapped him up.

I'm still looking forward to this, the short they released on Youtube set it up nicely.
 
dowie said:
I've not followed you around. I've just noticed you moaning repeatedly in a thread about probably the best TV show currently running.
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I would feel bad, if it wasn't for the fact that just about every media outlet agreed it was (story wise) the worst season in that "best TV show currently running" history. And again - we all moaned for better good - it's still not too late to stop those two lazy screwups from fudging the show's legacy.

Glanza said:
Oh god if v0n opinions and ideas will make any production better why haven't Hollywood snapped him up.
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I was too busy improving audio visual technology and quality control for other media outlets. :D

In all seriousness though - Arrival was definitely the best movie of last year and I'm sure Villeneuve will deliver (visually) competent sci fi movie (a sci fi movie). Blade Runner universe didn't require further movies and this movie didn't really need Blade Runner universe to be a movie about some guy chasing humanoid robots around half deserted, distressed cities. Teasers look like half a dozen anime stories could apply - but in my opinion nothing presented so far looks like a Blade Runner movie. I don't want to conclude that it might be just another opportunity to ham fist the old grumpy mug of Indiana Jones for few pennies before Christmas, but it increasingly looks like that's exactly what the brand was used for. Blade Runner is the last story in my top 5 movies of all time that wasn't ruined by terrible continuations, but apparently I'll be forced to find out how this story ends via pretty kid from Notebook and equally pretty, but hopelessly talentless Cuban/Spanish actress emoting script rewritten by Sex & The City and Everwood scribe. So excuse my lack of conviction.
 
Ok, it's just that it comes across as you saying that you'll be forced to sit there and watch it or something.

It's a fair assumption that it won't live up to the original, but you never know, it might just be a decent film in it's own right if you give it a chance and don't go in with the mentality that you're going to hate everything.

The Alien/The Thing/Star Wars etc prequels/sequels and Robocop/Total Recall/Ghostbusters *insert reboot movie* didn't 'ruin' the original films. There were just relatively **** films that could and should have been better.
You'll always have that film you loved and nothing can change that, no matter what they bring out.*

EDIT: *With the exception of the Star Wars 'special editions' or whatever they're called :D Thank **** for the Harmy despec versions...
 
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I would feel bad, if it wasn't for the fact that just about every media outlet agreed it was (story wise) the worst season in that "best TV show currently running" history. And again - we all moaned for better good - it's still not too late to stop those two lazy screwups from fudging the show's legacy.
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you're not doing anything for the greater good you're just sharing an opinion, which was continually negative in the GOT thread and unsurprisingly is negative in here before the movie has even been released

While I don't want to go too off far off topic re: GOT I guess the above, supposedly factual, statement does illustrate something in context lets just look at something objective - how about the aggregate rotten tomatoes scores for GOT - the lowest average critics score for a season was for season 1: 89 whereas season 7's score was 96. From the general public the lowest average score was for season 5: 89 whereas for season 7 it was 92 from the public. I think you're letting your moaning/views cloud your perception.

You can also look at this list of all the episodes ranked in order, none of the bottom half of the list is from season 7: http://www.imdb.com/list/ls070837538/

But back to the topic of this thread you've already made up your mind about this movie, before you've even watched the thing, trying to pretend that any of this moaning is 'for the greater good' or that you're some sort of guru here is a bit cringe worthy.

Obviously a movie like this will have a lot to live up to but the trailers don't look too bad at all, it may still be a flop but I'm going to reserve my judgement until I actually see the thing! I was at the cinema on Sunday with a girl who seemingly didn't even know the original blade runner film existed when the trailer for this movie aired so perhaps this new film could introduce a whole new bunch of fans to the original... then again that in itself is perhaps another thing for some people to complain about "I liked the original before 2049 came out..." etc.. :)
 
dowie said:
But back to the topic of this thread you've already made up your mind about this movie, before you've even watched the thing, trying to pretend that any of this moaning is 'for the greater good' or that you're some sort of guru here is a bit cringe worthy.
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Look Castiel, I appreciate your effort and "statistical data" on GoT fandom (and I actually do mean it - like a Jon Snow during battle of barstewards, you are up to your neck in dead bodies, but boy you fight for that season 7 plot (or lack thereof) so fiercely and so bravely I almost want all of those ex machina moments to turn into truly magnificent story). That said however, I continuously have my doubts if you understand basic idea of forum and opinions.

Me slating season 7 of GoT doesn't mean I hate it or won't be watching it. Me voicing an opinion on a Bladerunner 2049 trailer - in this thread - doesn't mean I made up my mind about movie. Or that I hate it. Or that I won't see it. My knowledge of the final product is equal to yours. We both know bupkes.
When I voice my concern that the trailer, promos and 2 minute excerpt, so far, does not meet my somewhat stringent expectations of bladerunner-ness - that's all it is - a personal opinion . On a forum. And it doesn't need fixing or correcting by you in every thread. Because these are my opinions, my concerns and my expectations. You don't have to obsess about it. And on a larger scale you don't have to play that "everything is awesome" schtick from the Lego movie and derail every thread you find me in to make sure I finally understood that supersonic ravens or whatever else we argued about three or four weeks ago were a gem of literally genius rather than a lazy plot device. Do sweep these "wait, somebody is still wrong on the internet" moments under the carpet after a day or two, for your own health and other forumites.
 
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that's all it is - a personal opinion . On a forum. And it doesn't need fixing or correcting by you in every thread. Because these are my opinions, my concerns and my expectations. You don't have to obsess about it.
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I'm not, I just made an observation based on the other thread. I'm glad you agree that it is merely your opinion on an Internet forum, previously you were claiming it was for the greater good or that your critique was somehow for my (and other viewers) benefit.

That was part of my argument, essentially stop moaning and wait until it is released then judge it, that's all! :)
 
dowie said:
previously you were claiming it was for the greater good or that your critique was somehow for my (and other viewers) benefit.
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Nah, I merely point out that when I moan, I moan for products to be more awesome. In this thread I moan for more bladerunner-ness in Blade Runner for example. I never moan for something to be worse.

essentially stop moaning
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You know I can't. (throws head in hands). It's stronger than me....
 
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