Blame it on Hiphop

ElRazur said:
There are plenty of Violent movies...sorry action movies out there but i dont here people making this kind of scapegoating of the actors/producer or the industry.

maybe not, but that's hardly an excuse
 
Some people say that certain computer games promote violence (e.g. GTA, Manhunt etc) but that view gets shot down because it is stupid.

Its pratically the same as saying Hip-Hop promotes violence.

The people who would be affected by any external source would probably carry a gun/knife anyway, not just because a game or song glorified it.

I agree he should concentrate on more pressing issues/ actual issues.
 
Well I disagree with Cameron.
Okay, you've got plonka's like 50 Cent with Get Rich or Die Tryin', and Terror Squad "East Side" stirring beef with "West Side"
And it's the same down here with artists having clashing opinions, with Ricochet Klashnekoff and Dizzee Rascal not liking Lethal B.

But that's a small minority. The whole Hip Hop scene is brill and friendly.
 
Cameron is criticising a radio show that is on after the watershed, doesn't that mean he's criticising the wrong thing, and should actually be criticising the watershed?
 
ElRazur said:
He is an artist and he's got a good marketing or PR company hence the popularity of him with kids.

It is only a video game, when i was young i played couple of vidoe games that are violent and i didnt go out killing people - I know the difference between reality and fantasy.


Yeah but you don't see video game characters in real life, promoting it further. When you turn off a game, thats it its gone. With hip hop, its absolutely everywhere, on the streets on tv on the radio on the net. Its not like they even stop it when they're in concert, i seem to remember 50 cent at reading 2004 (mebbe 03 actually) had police chopper sounds and shooting noises as he came onto the stage, in a bulletproff vest!? Its like hes a ******* war lord or somehting.
 
ElRazur said:
No it dosent, it is an art - a form of expression. If i want i can do love songs or pimp my ride number....Whatever they talk about is often taken as an instruction to go an do something stupid.

There are plenty of Violent movies...sorry action movies out there but i dont here people making this kind of scapegoating of the actors/producer or the industry.

Im sorry but it does...The hiphop culture is a very violent one...As you said, most of the artists come from a low background and a dangerous and violent background...They talk about what they see, their experiences in that world...To some people that is glamourous...and in that way it encourages people..

and yes, you do see that kind of scapegoating with violent movies...Youre probably too young but you should have see the outrage when Natural born killers came out...and violent computer games are ALWAYS being blamed for stuff.
 
I have been a rap and hip hop fan for 20 years +.

What you need to consider is that this music is aimed at and digested by youth. Now as a 13 year old - you are impressionable. Your personality is developing and in that stage you are vulnerable.

You're looking for something to make an impression on you, so you can find yourself. You're looking for a style, a culture, a way of life.

Rap and Hip Hop is more than music. It's a style, an attitude, a culture.

It seeps into young lads minds.

Sometimes it's digested positively, sometime's it's not.

Imo Rap/Hip Hop etc IS responsible for some violence. I'd love to find solid figures but I'll bet gun crime in the UK soared as Rap became more aggressive with the birth of ganster rap.

Tim Westwood got shot. He's a dick.

No bullets as yet for Chris Moyles though, and he's an even greater one.
 
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Eminem - One Shot certainly seems to glorify carrying guns to an extent. It's a great song, but some people can certainly get the wrong message from it.

However, I believe that hip-hop is just the current target to the journalistic bile that is always pointed towards the music industry. Rock n Roll was called the work of the devil by some journalists when it broke through in the 60's, yet it's tame by today's standards. Some people believed Punk music would bring about anarchy (probably as a result of the Sex Pistols singing about it). People now blame hip-hop for the gun culture. It's sensationlist rubbish that will go aware in a few years, it always goes.
 
Perhaps, but Westwood balances it out with sound advice on social issues.

'Sack it before you whack it'

:rolleyes: :p

Music genres have always been attacked by the establisment as the root of social problems, just like rock and roll in the 50's or UK rave culture in the late 80's.
 
willd58 said:
As a young hip hop fan, i gotta say i agree with Cameron on this one, some hip hop is very positive, some of it does indeed describe the harsher lives some people face, but a lot of it also premotes Gang culture, 50 cent for one is an obviouse choice here. Its him trying to say "im a gangster check me out arnt i cool" in practically all his songs and video's, with the attitude of enjoying being a gangster but only pretending to commit the crimes that gets him the rep of a "G" (i mean "G unit" come on :rolleyes: )

a lot of people today cant see the fairy tale land of these so called gangsters and try and be gangsterish, the majority of the time they end up as just thug like and it esclates to brawls and violence. Theres a lot of hip hop today that glorifies it all in the same way WWF wrestling glorifies fighting, only kids cant see how ridiculous it is.

50 cent never said
"im a gangster check me out arnt i cool"
or implied it. I dont like his music and i dont think he will be stupid to say or imply something like that.

We live in a world where we love scandals, what celebrety get up to in their own time, gossip, etc. He lives in a society where the story of Rag-to-riches is adored, so when he talks about his stories i wont berudge him for that. We are forgetting he is an artist and he will find ways of inventing/re-inventing his ideas. He gives people what people want and i dont see the problem.
 
"Sorry I killed that man but I'm just the victim of all those evil video games and rap records. "

Judge: "Oh OK, you're free to go"

Hmm, doesn't work like that.
 
The Music in itself is not the problem, I can't recall the any major hip-hop artist coming out with a remark that encourages street violence, if it has then in context it is usually sarcastic sort of like how one could say that Punk inspired violence when it was a mostly pacifist.


However it is the image as had been said due to artist background and image which is more important than the music anyway since the vast majority of people rarely get what music is on about.


Edit: I think Cameron here is trying to play on the populations outrage for rising gang culture in Britain, although I don't think he is going the right way about it.
 
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this is a dangerous route to go down. this same misguided logic can be applied to anything and i mean anything. examples? watching football made me cheat in order to win; listening to Metal made me worship the devil and disect that cat; the GTA example that's already been quoted; eating 100 big macs made me fat etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

i call bs on cameron.

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Can I just say that the rap and hip hop you hear on the radio is NOTHING.

Radio plays are 500% tamer than what you hear when you buy the albums, through playing soft tracks or radio edit work.

The violence, the talk of and audio re-enactments of drive-by shootings, muggings, rape and stabbings is only ever on the albums.

And it does glorify it.

I'm listening to three Notorious B.I.G albums atm, it's all there.

Btw - I absolutely love it. :D
 
eXSBass said:
Well I disagree with Cameron.
Okay, you've got plonka's like 50 Cent with Get Rich or Die Tryin', and Terror Squad "East Side" stirring beef with "West Side"
And it's the same down here with artists having clashing opinions, with Ricochet Klashnekoff and Dizzee Rascal not liking Lethal B.

But that's a small minority. The whole Hip Hop scene is brill and friendly.

The whole west/east side thing was a media-misinformation. It just happen to be between people living in that part of the US. It dosent automatically means any artist from the west is an enemy of the one from the east, quite the contrary as there have been many collaboration across the "sides".

I dont know about Klashneekoff/dizzee rascal not liking Lethal B but i do know there was a rivalry thing going own between Lethal B and wiley. Lethal B did put an end to it in one of his tracks - I dont wont no beef, i wanna make money (Something to that effect).
 
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