Blame it on Hiphop

ElRazur · 7 Jun 2006 at 15:59

This dude in my opinion dont have a clue as to what he is saying man.

"I would say to Radio 1, do you realise that some of the stuff you play on Saturday nights encourages people to carry guns and knives?", said Mr Cameron.

He needs to focus on real politics and quit using hiphop as a bargaining tool for his own ambitions. I dont see the link between hiphop and violence - No hiphop track has ask anyone to carry a gun or kill someone. In my view things are taking out of context. N one seem to talk about the positive message most of them carry e.g Black eyed peas-where is the love, Tupac - Dear mama, Brenda's got a baby, etc.

Over the past decades various social problem has been blamed on all type of music genres - punk, rock, disco etc. I guess this decade is hiphop decade. Anyway i am happy the way bbc responded to the accusation

Radio 1 strongly denied Mr Cameron's accusation, saying it took its responsibilities "very seriously" and followed strict producer guidelines.

It said hip-hop was a "vibrant" genre which sometimes reflected the "harsher realities of people's lives".

Full story here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5055724.stm

What are your views on what cameron said..

Yas786 · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:01

That he has a point :confused:

Raikiri · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:01

ElRazur said:
, Tupac - Dear mama, Brenda's got a baby, etc.

That was one of the ones that got shot right?

My opinion is the music is crap but theres very little proof that it causes any violent behaviour. It is more the actions of the people singing it rather than the music itself and the image that goes with them.

theleg · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:03

It encourages it as in it glorifies a certain culture...I dont think he meant as in the songs tell people to carry knives directly..

It is a violent musical genre...the angry and violent songs outnumber the good songs by a huge amount..

Having said that, its only music and people who are convinced to carry a knife by a song probaby would have carried a knife anyway..Just like those who are motivated to kill because of video games, probably would have been that kind of person anyway..

Just stupid scapegoating as usual.

Tru · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:03

My view is that, at the moment, Cameron is all about spin and hyperbole. Hiphop is a soft target and a favourite amongst headline writers.

Music doesn't encourage people to arm themselves, human nature does.

daveyj27 · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:03

ElRazur said:
No hiphop track has ask anyone to carry a gun or kill someone.

You must be joking, right? I've heard plenty of rap tracks in my time that most definately promote violence and murder, and very much in that context.
I'm not saying that I buy the whole "music/game/tv = violent behaviour" argument, but I am definately disagreeing with what I have quoted you as posting.

ElRazur · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:04

daveyj27 said:
You must be joking, right? I've heard plenty of rap tracks in my time that most definately promote violence and murder, and very much in that context.
I'm not saying that I buy the whole "music/game/tv = violent behaviour" argument, but I am definately disagreeing with what I have quoted you as posting.

Please point me to one, most likely it was taken out of context. When a rapper speaks, he is like a journalist - He reports what he see and experience on a daily basis.

da_mic_1530 · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:04

i listen to the occasional bit of hip hop, doesnt mean i want to kill anyone

squiffy · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:05

ElRazur said:
This dude in my opinion dont have a clue as to what he is saying man.

He needs to focus on real politics and quit using hiphop as a bargaining tool for his own ambitions. I dont see the link between hiphop and violence - No hiphop track has ask anyone to carry a gun or kill someone. In my view things are taking out of context. N one seem to talk about the positive message most of them carry e.g Black eyed peas-where is the love, Tupac - Dear mama, Brenda's got a baby, etc.

Over the past decades various social problem has been blamed on all type of music genres - punk, rock, disco etc. I guess this decade is hiphop decade. Anyway i am happy the way bbc responded to the accusation

Full story here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5055724.stm

What are your views on what cameron said..

Does pop have a "street" culture that shooting people earns you respect, and is tied to the crime underworld? No. I don't recall The Spice Girls being part of gang scense, getting arrested for shooting people. There is a link in the rap/hiphop/other similar styles of that type of "music"

AJUK · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:06

That is actually one of the few things Camaroon (sic) has said that has made sense; that and berating sexy clothing for small children. Good on him.

ElRazur · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:10

squiffy said:
Does pop have a "street" culture that shooting people earns you respect, and is tied to the crime underworld? No. I don't recall The Spice Girls being part of gang scense, getting arrested for shooting people. There is a link in the rap/hiphop/other similar styles of that type of "music"

You cant make a connection between both really, It is what media projects on us. Most of this artist come from the lower edge of the society to make it big, their thinking and mentality is hence considered different....

Pete docherty (sp?) is a crack addict but he dosent ask anyone to go inject heroin. Yet the media potray him as some sort of danger to the kids. I think the problem here is we as a society as degraded and we wont hesitate to point blame at someone or something for it.

Chris1712 · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:12

Thoroughly agree, about time someone said something. Its disgusting that 'artists' like 50 cent are kids idols atm, hes got a game where HE KILLS PEOPLE WITH RUDDY MISSILE LAUNCHERS!!!

Hip Hop Culture is a real downer on society, and is pretty much responsible for the Chav cult imo.

wozzizname · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:12

Why does there seem to be more violence associated with rap, compared to Metal ? Both have an an 'aggressive' image, yet you rarely hear of Metal fans shooting people, at least afaik ?

TommoUK · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:12

I agree with Balddog.

I think the music is terrible, but wouldn't blame it for any violence. I'm sure some people are influenced to commit violence by rap music, but these people would just as easily be influenced by something else - from a news report to a videogame.

Should we ban these things that many enjoy because some are unable to appreciate there is a difference between the real world and forms of entertainment? Of course not.

daveyj27 · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:13

ElRazur said:
Please point me to one, most likely it was taken out of context. When a rapper speaks, he is like a journalist - He reports what he see and experience on a daily basis.

ER, I understand context completely and I am 100% confident in my ability to apply it to what I am reading, or listening to at any given time (i'm actually a failrly intelligent lad deep down

).
Can I point you to a specific piece of material that i've heard in the past? Sadly not, as I quickly dragged myself out of the brief rap period I went through many years back (thank heavens), but I seem to recall that "The Gravediggaz" weren't exactly representing themselves or their community in a positive manner.

ElRazur · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:14

Balddog said:
It encourages it as in it glorifies a certain culture...I dont think he meant as in the songs tell people to carry knives directly..

It is a violent musical genre...the angry and violent songs outnumber the good songs by a huge amount..

Having said that, its only music and people who are convinced to carry a knife by a song probaby would have carried a knife anyway..Just like those who are motivated to kill because of video games, probably would have been that kind of person anyway..

Just stupid scapegoating as usual.

No it dosent, it is an art - a form of expression. If i want i can do love songs or pimp my ride number....Whatever they talk about is often taken as an instruction to go an do something stupid.

There are plenty of Violent movies...sorry action movies out there but i dont here people making this kind of scapegoating of the actors/producer or the industry.

Gooner14 · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:15

Westwood says "drop the bomb' a lot. Does this encourage terrorist bombings....

Chris1712 · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:15

Just look at this...

Either I'm trippin' off the ecstasy
Or I could feel the world turnin'
I'm havin' flashbacks, I can feel the shells burnin'
Comin' up, I was taught never back down
That's why I act the way I act now, hold the mac down
32 shots, squeeze til there ain't a shell left
Come with my gun smokin', you can smell death
They get the first laugh, I get the last laugh homie
Hit the gas on it, pull up and mash on 'em

Yeah real nice. Good point on the aggressive nature of Metal music, fortunately metal musicians have some lyrical and musical talent, hence avoiding such bs.

willd58 · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:16

As a young hip hop fan, i gotta say i agree with Cameron on this one, some hip hop is very positive, some of it does indeed describe the harsher lives some people face, but a lot of it also premotes Gang culture, 50 cent for one is an obviouse choice here. Its him trying to say "im a gangster check me out arnt i cool" in practically all his songs and video's, with the attitude of enjoying being a gangster but only pretending to commit the crimes that gets him the rep of a "G" (i mean "G unit" come on :rolleyes:

)

a lot of people today cant see the fairy tale land of these so called gangsters and try and be gangsterish, the majority of the time they end up as just thug like and it esclates to brawls and violence. Theres a lot of hip hop today that glorifies it all in the same way WWF wrestling glorifies fighting, only kids cant see how ridiculous it is.

ElRazur · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:17

Chris1712 said:
Thoroughly agree, about time someone said something. Its disgusting that 'artists' like 50 cent are kids idols atm, hes got a game where HE KILLS PEOPLE WITH RUDDY MISSILE LAUNCHERS!!!

Hip Hop Culture is a real downer on society, and is pretty much responsible for the Chav cult imo.

He is an artist and he's got a good marketing or PR company hence the popularity of him with kids.

It is only a video game, when i was young i played couple of vidoe games that are violent and i didnt go out killing people - I know the difference between reality and fantasy.