Blame it on Hiphop

Mark A · 11 Jun 2006 at 23:02

Scott Salisbury said:
Yeah, my opinion too.

Don't get me wrong, I have honestly tried to like it. I've even asked to borrow CD's off my mates to see if I can like it, but I just can't stomach it at all. There is obviously a lot out there so maybe somewhere there is at least one track I may be able to listen to.

But I'm still looking.

As for what I listen to, I listen to all except hiphop/rap/rnb whatever you want to call it. 80s and 90s classics, modern, dance and trance, some pleasent rock. You name it as long as it isn't annoying I listen to it all.

I didn't intend my original post to be a flame at hiphop or anybody who likes it, just wanted to give my opionin. Sorry if offended.

The Rap you hear on the radio is always the worst track from the album IMO, like with Eminems music the tracks that are released as singles i dont even like and I'm a big fan. Saying that the tracks i like on his albums arnt really tracks you can listen to all the time if you know what i mean. Theres a track called Rock Bottom which is a master piece IMO and has helped me through some rough patches. You should give 'a good day' by ice cube a listen, its a great track, even my mate who hates rap likes it.

a lot of the stuff being released recently is cack and sounds generic, like the same material recycled with a generic beat in the background. I liked The chronic album by Dre and a track Ive been listening to a lot lately is Changes (Lil Deviantz remix) by 2 Pac, its like a dance mix or something and is great ohh and front page stardom by Dre i think its a leaked track from Detox.

Mark

JohnnyG · 11 Jun 2006 at 23:02

ElRazur said:
Nah not that way i meant Nod your head cuz you are feeling the beat man....

Nah man, I prefer music

William · 11 Jun 2006 at 23:03

You tried Jurassic 5 Johnny? Good introduction I think, inoffensive and well produced in my humble opinion.

Mark A · 11 Jun 2006 at 23:04

EVH said:
I have and run 3 studios and yes, I have produced, mixed and mastered a number of genres including hip-hop.

To be honest, it's basically 'created' and requires much less talent than a band who play their music.. on the other hand, it does make the engineers job a lot easier as you don't have to time-stretch or key shift

I totally agree with this and i have a lot of respect for bands that play there own instruments etc. I think in Rap the effort is in writing the lyrics.

Mark

ElRazur · 11 Jun 2006 at 23:06

Mark A said:
Dre ...Detox.

Mark

The most anticipated album of the year :cool:

or whenever it is released, i dont know if know if h can top the last album though.

Mark A · 11 Jun 2006 at 23:12

ElRazur said:
The most anticipated album of the year or whenever it is released, i dont know if know if h can top the last album though.

I dont think his last album was as good as his first but it was still good and had some good tracks on it. If this track i have 'Front page stardom' is really a leaked track from Detox then it should be something really special

. It has samples from the last album so must be quite recent and also features Em at the end. I read that Dre was going to retire and was scrapping Detox but then on the Game's album he says "look out for Detox" so I'm not sure if its going ahead or what.

Mark

oldbag · 11 Jun 2006 at 23:21

This seems such a silly comment. Sure, music can effect your emotional state, but saying that listening to hip-hop makes you want to rush out with a knife is a bit extreme isn't it?

William · 11 Jun 2006 at 23:22

Triad2000 said:
This seems such a silly comment. Sure, music can effect your emotional state, but saying that listening to hip-hop makes you want to rush out with a knife is a bit extreme isn't it?

Music can promote a certain culture.

oldbag · 11 Jun 2006 at 23:24

Such a general statement. Yes, you get the minority, but not everyone who listens to that kind of music turns into a psycho when they hear a 50 cent track.

ElRazur · 11 Jun 2006 at 23:24

Mark A said:
I dont think his last album was as good as his first but it was still good and had some good tracks on it. If this track i have 'Front page stardom' is really a leaked track from Detox then it should be something really special . It has samples from the last album so must be quite recent and also features Em at the end. I read that Dre was going to retire and was scrapping Detox but then on the Game's album he says "look out for Detox" so I'm not sure if its going ahead or what.

Mark

Awesome. i think detox is his last album, i've heard about the leaked stuff but i dont wanna listen to it now, im gonna wait for the real thing.

William · 11 Jun 2006 at 23:34

Triad2000 said:
Such a general statement. Yes, you get the minority, but not everyone who listens to that kind of music turns into a psycho when they hear a 50 cent track.

That isn't what I said, music can influence you into doing somthing you would not normally do. I would say the most common is a change of dress code.

Getting back on track, my brother's girlfriend is a social worker in Manchester and works with all the little scallies, they all have a fixation with 50 and G-unit simply because 50 has been shot so many times and gotten out of it. They think this is amazing so it isn't so much the music but the stigma that is associated by it and I really do think it has an effect on what they do it is prehaps a possibility that having fiddy pumping it on TMF allday might perpetuate gang culture.

Chronos-X · 11 Jun 2006 at 23:38

I think a lot of knife-weiling scalls like their hiphop, rnb and, yes, dance. But A lot of hiphop, rnb and dance fans aren't knife weiling scallies - although the dance fans do have a large moron contingent.

Basically I've always seen the hiphop=crime argument as very lazy criticism. Its like people talking to "gangster rap" as if its an ideology, when its just a genre and the name means very little.

William · 11 Jun 2006 at 23:41

Oh yeah, blatently, scallies are a very small minority and an even smaller amount commit violent crime rather than just be a pain in the arse, I was just using it as a case study as to where hip-hop might be slightly resposibly although other factors are evididently far more important like social strain due to poverty.

Violent-J · 12 Jun 2006 at 00:04

Hip hop is mostly listened to by chavs, the kind of people who wear hoods and mug people and talk like INNIT, YA GET ME basically the scum of society. Most of hip hop is talking about shooting people to get respect, mugging people, having fights etc. and is totally chav orientated.

Mark A · 12 Jun 2006 at 01:50

Violent-J said:
Hip hop is mostly listened to by chavs, the kind of people who wear hoods and mug people and talk like INNIT, YA GET ME basically the scum of society. Most of hip hop is talking about shooting people to get respect, mugging people, having fights etc. and is totally chav orientated.

Hmm around where i live and work all the chavs listen to hardcore. I dont think ive ever heard them playing Rap tbh. You know the type of music, it has a dance tune in the background speeded up with the occasional squeeky voice singing the chorus and over the top of the whole track is a mc sayin a load of rubbish about crews etc. A new craze they seem to have is listening to hardcore on their mobile phones instead of wearing ear phones, so they're blasting it out for everyone, with no bass of course.

Mark

Neoni · 12 Jun 2006 at 01:58

Look whats tucked in his back pocket, need i say more?

Nuff said tbh.

-Neon.

sja360 · 12 Jun 2006 at 02:36

Neon said:
Look whats tucked in his back pocket, need i say more?

Nuff said tbh.

-Neon.

he doesnt go around gunning people down though does he? and if the end users listening to the music do then its purely there own fault, unless ofcourse 50 cent is trying to create an army/gang/whatever in that case he could be blamed and should be, but imo its those that take this music to the street and play it out that cause the problems with gun crime etc. have to say i like 50 cent's music

SexyGreyFox · 12 Jun 2006 at 07:10

ElRazur said:
Have ever tried producing a hiphop track? Most likely no but i do have a home studio and i can tell you know that it requires talent to come out with something nice (a banger).

I agree it does take talent but probably the lowest form of talent.
To find several bars of a tune (sometimes lifted) and to loop it consistently does not take a lot of talent.
I think Eminem is a genius but if we take all his lyrics away and listen to the music its something most of us musos on here could do.
I often get my hands on backing tracks by Tupac, 50 Cent etc and they are sooooooo easy.

Exentia · 12 Jun 2006 at 07:58

If Hip-hop is these tards telling it like it is or was...why dont the police lock them up theyve got confessions on CD for a shed-load of crimes. :confused:

Nitefly · 12 Jun 2006 at 07:59

Neon said:
Look whats tucked in his back pocket, need i say more?

Nuff said tbh.

-Neon.

Thats a pretty bad arguement.

Need I say anymore about video game 'induced' violence?

Both are fantasy. Its a shame people can't always see the line.