Blame on both sides

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Vonhelmet said:
Haha, I had a feeling you'd say that.


Post hoc ergo propose hoc. I'm really racking up these logical fallacies today, huh?
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Please explain how it's a logical fallacy. Please provide links and sources. Peer reviewed of course.

Or just admit you're talking out of your backside as per.
 
Dis86 said:
Please explain how it's a logical fallacy. Please provide links and sources. Peer reviewed of course.

Or just admit you're talking out of your backside as per.
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You said...

Dis86 said:
Apparently he needs links to see that after a number of high profile shootings of black people by police officers in America, when a black man goes on a shooting rampage targeting police officers immediately afterwards that the motive is the shooting of black people by police officers...
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So all you've really got is that one event followed the other. You may be able to make a link between the fact he is black and they were policemen, but that's likely to be circumstantial unless you can provide something more solid. I certainly don't see how you can tie it to the BLM leaders in question, which is the real point at stake.
 
mmj_uk said:
What I don't like is how the left distort things whenever it suits their agenda to the point of being completely hypocritical and having double standards. For example, when a Muslim commits a terror attack it's not Islam to blame even though the terrorist will swear on Allah that he did it in the name of Islam, yet when some nut job kills some people during a protest and we don't even know why he did it the same left are all too happy to jump to conclusions and not only blame put paint the whole of the right as Nazi's/KKK/white supremacists.
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Again, false equivalence. We don't blame the whole of Christianity when someone in the American far-right carries out a terrorist attack. We should, and do, pin at least some of the blame on those that have radicalised the attackers though.
 
Rroff said:
Absolutely no one, or at least pretty much no one, is saying here that Nazis and the likes shouldn't be dealt with harshly - what is being called out is the duplicity. hypocrisy and distortion.
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There's certainly some odd views in here though

Tom_ed1987 said:
More general observation but the extreme liberals seem to act more like Nazis than the Nazi party.
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Tosno said:
the "anti-fascist" Anitfa (far worse, far more evil, far MORE fascist) and BLM, BROUGHT THE VIOLENCE with them. *THEY* are the ones to blame, they didnt' come to counter protest, they came to hurt people. It's pure luck they actually attacked some real racists (for the first time in their useful idiot cultural Marxist lives I suspect).
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Tunney said:
Again, false equivalence. We don't blame the whole of Christianity when someone in the American far-right carries out a terrorist attack. We should, and do, pin at least some of the blame on those that have radicalised the attackers though.
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That's because religion isn't the motive. You guys really struggle with that don't you? Also Vincent Hanna blamed all the protestors for the guy running them over so...guess 'you' do!
 
Dis86 said:
That's because religion isn't the motive. You guys really struggle with that don't you?
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Did you see the photos from the rally? People were holding placards containing bible quotes. American white nationalists strongly identify as Christians and use passages of the bible to justify their hatred.
 
Tunney said:
Did you see the photos from the rally? People were holding placards containing bible quotes. American white nationalists strongly identify as Christians and use passages of the bible to justify their hatred.
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Did these guys carry out terrorist attacks? Errrr....no.
 
Tunney said:
Did you see the photos from the rally? People were holding placards containing bible quotes. American white nationalists strongly identify as Christians and use passages of the bible to justify their hatred.
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Ahh, so since all Muslims are now suspect for being terrorists, then all Southern Americans (Specifically White people) should be suspect as well too?

NEATO BURRITO, coming full circle.
 
Dis86 said:
The protesters in question.
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One of their number killed someone and injured many more. Are they all collectively reaponsible? No. Was he encouraged by others in the group to carry out the act? It's probably impossible to say at this stage.
 
StriderX said:
Ahh, so since all Muslims are now suspect for being terrorists, then all Southern Americans (Specifically White people) should be suspect as well too?
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No, I'm arguing the complete opposite point. A small minority of white people from the Southern states are white nationalists, just as a small minority of Muslims are Islamic extremists.
 
Tunney said:
No, I'm arguing the complete opposite point. A small minority of white people from the Southern states are white nationalists, just as a small minority of Muslims are Islamic extremists.
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Ah they really a small minority? I mean, the middle east is a hellhole of warfare right now and has been for longer then you and I have been alive.

They busy killing each other down there like it was a video game.
 
Tefal said:
who has been fired for being outed as a SJW?
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None that I know of having been reported in the news recently, but then people are fired for their political viewpoints all the time, they rarely make the news, although arguably he was fired as a PR excercise, less to do with his political viewpoint as we know.

That said if we want to frame it as a "left" and "right" debate perhaps we should consider the 50s US where being considered "left wing" got a significant number of people fired.

However that has nothing to do with the original point.

Character assassination is a popular tactic of certain political groups these days to stifle any and all debate that doesn't work with their belief system.
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Character assassination occurs from both sides, use of the terms like SJW and ********* were designed for just that reason, just as people complain the use of Nazi and racist are.

To frame yourself as a victim is disingenuous at best.
 
Dis86 said:
That's because religion isn't the motive. You guys really struggle with that don't you? Also Vincent Hanna blamed all the protestors for the guy running them over so...guess 'you' do!
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Agreed, a slightly misleading analogy.

A better one is should we blame right wing viewpoints for his actions?

If we want to blame Islam and Muslims for the actions of a terrorist then why shouldn't we blame right wing ideology for the actions of a far right terrorist/murderer?

Or perhaps it's wrong to blame entire groups for the action of just a small number? In which case that should be true or all groups, not just those you don't like.
 
Amp34 said:
Agreed, a slightly misleading analogy.

A better one is should we blame right wing viewpoints for his actions?

If we want to blame Islam and Muslims for the actions of a terrorist then why shouldn't we blame right wing ideology for the actions of a far right terrorist/murderer?

Or perhaps it's wrong to blame entire groups for the action of just a small number? In which case that should be true or all groups, not just those you don't like.
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A right wing ideology doesn't espouse killing though. Racist ideologies may well do however.
 
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