Blame on both sides
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It isn't a circular argument, black people exist and are discriminated against, that is very real - to deny that and pretend that 'race' doesn't exist (in a social context) is frankly ridiculous. Biological classification or the amount of genetic diversity in say Africa isn't really relevant. The vast majority of 'black' people are easily classified in this context as such ditto to the vast majority of 'white' people and so on.
You think that black people who assume some closeness with other black people are 'idiots'? You don't seem to want to account for say shared experiences/history of oppression etc.. But rather you're fixated on a biological/genetic argument and seemingly blind to everything else, I think the use of the insult towards others is therefore rather ironic.
@DAIR has identified himself as being 'black' in this thread, you've just labeled him an 'ill informed idiot' for doing so. I'm assuming that it is highly likely @stewski that you're a 'white' person (or at least would be labelled as such by others since you don't believe in race)? As this supposed colour blind narrative you're espousing where because there are no clear racial boundaries/classifications in biology you can be completely dismissive of it from a social perspective certainly seems like something more likely to be promoted by someone for whom race has never likely been an issue in their life.
Show where I said that or retract it!
How is this easy, there are infinite shades of skin tones and I have a number friends/extended family with various graduations, you tell me how they fit easily?
Show where I said that or retract it!
I've said nothing against shared culture, history, or ethnicity, I'm saying the meaning of race is sub species and not correlated to skin tone!
Show where I did that or retract it!
Assume away, essentially you know nothing about me or where I am from. When you show me anything like a definition of race/sub species that is workable between peoples, I'll consider it as a term, at the moment what many use as 'race' seems little more than a folk tale primarily about ill defined skin colours and hair styles!
As for discrimination you have zero idea what I've seen from the police education or otherwise!
Again you're fixated on this tunnel vision biological/genetic argument re: race, you're completely ignoring race existing in a social context. I'm not going to present you with a biological definition and neither am I referring to one - I'm talking about race in a social context.
As for your 'show me where I said that' it is there in the post I quoted, you're denying the existence of 'race' and calling people ill informed idiots.
I'd also assume that if you weren't white you'd have said so now instead of leaving it open/ambiguous.
As for your 'show me where I said that' it is there in the post I quoted, you're denying the existence of 'race' and calling people ill informed idiots.
I'd also assume that if you weren't white you'd have said so now instead of leaving it open/ambiguous.
Soldato
Lol each to their own.
I'm tired of self-righteous social justice warriors behaving as if they know it all. They spend a few months taking in nonsense from the media.... All of a sudden they're experts lol.
I'm also tired of the media and high profile black people behaving as if we're all victims. They're completely out of touch. If things were truly as bad as the media makes things out to be. There is no way in hell I'd be where I am today.
Anyway I think we've drifted off topic.
I'm tired of self-righteous social justice warriors behaving as if they know it all. They spend a few months taking in nonsense from the media.... All of a sudden they're experts lol.
I'm also tired of the media and high profile black people behaving as if we're all victims. They're completely out of touch. If things were truly as bad as the media makes things out to be. There is no way in hell I'd be where I am today.
Anyway I think we've drifted off topic.
I'm tired of people thinking their specific skin tone makes them an expert on race or discrimination!
stewski is posting... he's worse than me for taking things off topic
Well, if they're from a racial minority, they're at least more likely to have lived it rather than simply observing some of it and less likely to try and pretend race doesn't exist/is meaningless simply because of a fixation on biology. But no it doesn't automatically make anyone an 'expert'.
Soldato
Who claimed that?
This.
Biologically, there is no such thing as different human races, they are all the same human race. Black people are not a separate for race, but they are racial discriminated against because racism doesn't refer to Victorian concept of race but to social, cultural, linguistic, ethnic, and visible traits.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1525/aa.1998.100.3.651/abstract
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3737365/
Skin color is 1 visible trait that is commonly used for racial discrimination, but nothing potentially stops any other trait such as eye color.
it isn't really comparable - for example the police in the US aren't being accused of discriminating against blue eyed people, they're being accused of discriminating against black people
to try and conflate skin colour and eye colour in this context is disingenuous and what I was arguing against because regardless of the biological arguments about race classification it does exist in a social context where skin colour is important and eye colour, straight hair are not comparable. While maybe in an alternate universe you could 'potentially' have a society where discrimination is based on eye colour, in reality it is skin colour that is the important factor here.
Who did that?
yep . some dude dead 70 odd years doesnt really count.
plus his main factor was skin colour.
if you can find me a current popular movement to define the races of humanity on eye colour is love to see it.
All humans except scientists and academics on the subject, plus those educated in understanding the scientific consensus.
Strawman argument. Skin color is visible trait just like ahir color and eye color, all 3 can be used for discrimination. Currently, 1 of those trait is more common used but there is no biological, genetic or scientific basis for singling out a single characteristic.
Some people are uniformed idiots, being uninformed is one thing! Deliberately misrepresenting other people's positions/words and then when challenged failing to either retract what was said or prove their points one at a time is utterly wrong!
Considering the issue of idiots discriminating based on skin tone (or easily visible traits) you seem a little obsessive!
nope just calling out your race doesn't exist/colour blind nonsense
There is clearly no colour blindness in your line of questions, when anyone has anything like a workable definition/taxonomy of even how many 'races' or subspecies there are and what they are based on, perhaps we can revisit it.
I see you continue to fail to retract or evidence your totally unacceptable misrepresentations earlier!
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