Literally not sure what you're saying here. Punctuation missing?
Blame on both sides
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Well yeah, that's a pretty good option as well.
I am just not so sure this attitude of yours, given your posting history, would be quite as "dignified" if ISIS were protesting outside your house.
Like what?
Exactly describe how the US government gets taken over by Nazi's please? Oh wait 100 million people didn't vote? Oh dear, sounds like its not the Nazi's fault then is it?
Always blaming other people, just like the Right wing headbangers, arguing like this is bloody tiring and boring.
I'm glad someone else has pointed this out, I was reluctant to, but it really does stick out like a sore thumb with some previous posters, and their posting history in other threads.....
rofl, judging my Trump's speech yesterday, and the KKK leader thanking him for it.... oh wait.
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Should you stand up to fascists and white supremacists? They have been a joke for my entire life, low level idiots with little to no traction in the UK and with each passing year increasingly so. I have found the so called anti fascists to be a far more troubling trend, their kind of totalitarianism is growing and much more dangerous. I can't comment for the US I know too little about it but in the UK other than being the professed motivation of the odd bit of low level violence the racists and thugs they are a risk more to themselves than anyone else the World has moved on they look hopelessly outdated. If the Governments of all flavours stopped calling anyone who disagreed with them on immigration a bigot there wouldn't be an ounce of sympathy for them.
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Sticks and stones and all that.
Tighten up the law as we've done in this country so that hate speech isn't protected?
Kim Jong Un said/says a lot of ****, as did his father, and we mostly learned to ignore that. We don't have to give them TV coverage either. We can choose to give them a platform or choose not to.
What do you think will be the inevitable consequence of allowing them to chant racist nonsense, btw? Assuming that all they're doing is spewing their nonsense but otherwise abiding by the law... what is the inevitable worse outcome you allude to?
There should, after all, be a counter narrative coming from schools, parents, etc, to explain to easily impressionable people that the Neo-Nazi ideology is abhorrent.
So if it's just words, it should be easily nullified.
Let's not forget one thing here - the Neo-Nazis want things to turn violent. By doing this you're playing straight into their hands.
The reason some are in riot gear is due to the fact antifa have been running riot for months protesting violently again and again, with weapons and smashing and damaging property. They turn up to protests just to counter them as they don't like other opinions.
All braindead, unwashed scum no better than the white nationalists.
Not doubt they were attending Virginia except this time they were actually up against nazi supporters not just people they brand as nazis due to having different opinions.
VA Governor McAuliffe said that the police didn't engage the Unite The Right protesters because they had better weapons that the police.
How long until a far-right group takes over an entire town? That's the trajectory they're on. It could end with a Waco-style incident.
Is it the trajectory they're on or is it the one you want so you can justify your narrative? The militiamen tend be quite honourable, otherwise they'd just start shooting everything they didn't like.
If Virginia didnt want open carry laws, they should write it out of their legislation...
If Virginia didnt want open carry laws, they should write it out of their legislation...
Ah, gotcha. That's interesting. So they went looking for trouble. Awesome.
Well, we know what happens in this country and the EU when we allow Islamic extremists to spew their nonsense - things end up getting worse, more people get taken in by it, it gets larger and harder to stop, in many cases and with people like Anjem Choudary - they know exactly what to say, how to say it and who to say it to, directly indoctrinating people. The end result is a big problem.
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According to the chief of police, yes.
Personally, I'm not speaking about it from a morality standpoint, or at least, I haven't meant to. What I am adding to this discussion, and probably extremely poorly (I admit that), is that the left/alt-left/regressive-left/whatevertheywishtobecalled-left are getting worse. Fire is being met with fire, and both sides are losing credibility imo, I care less and less what either side are saying to justify their cause; as they are [imo] getting as bad as each other.
I'll admit it, I have naff all interest in politics, I'm 36 and only recently became aware of what the left and right wings are - to me it's always been a case of all parties are the same as each other, so why should I spend an ounce of my time and effort on it. With my recent [limited] understanding into left/right I have watched more and more videos from various commentators on both sides, and to me at least the left are not the ones I would side with, and the far-right (or alt-right or whatever) are much the same. So in terms of leaning I'm middle to right.
Whether this mindset of mine then makes me dislike the far/alt/whatever-left more, so be it, but as someone as pointed out - they aren't always shining white knights wading in to deal social justice; some appear to be as aggressive as the [current] far/alt/whatever-right lot. Nothing can change the fact that a person has lost their life to a frankly evil individual, and that their poor family will have to deal with this loss for many years to come, but with any event that has media attention - it's been jumped on by all sorts, twisted and used for their own purposes.
I feel that at present the world is in a rocky place - a complete knobber in charge of the US, a failed UK Government and "Brexit", another knobber wooing gullible students for votes waiting in the wings (still?), and the possible threat that a Cartman lookalike madman with odd hair is going to heat us all up... Add to this all the PC crap that's escalating, the hundreds of genders that apparently exist, and all the social justice ****. These are fun times folks.
I am not hiding behind semantics. But I believe you are. Language is important and it's also important that we give freedom of speech to people within the law. The permit applied for was completely legal, hence it being approved. It was withdrawn when the inevitable violence occured. Your statement was wrong and you are avoiding that fact.
Alt-left is a term dreamt up by the "left" in America to deride anyone left of Hillary by painting them as comparable to the nutjob alt-right. As far as they're concerned anyone who supported Sanders or anyone campaigning for, say, healthcare reform is the left wing equivalent of a white supremacist. It's ridiculous. The left are at fault here for creating a soft target for Trump. It's already fairly well established in the public conscience that the alt-right are mental, but by popularising the term "alt-left" for anyone more left than themselves they've made it easy for the right to discredit the very people they should be embracing.
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