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If we're happy with random eyewitness testimony, then an American friend has just shared this from a Charlottesville resident:

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There seems to be a perception from people outside of Charlottesville that what is going on here is two opposing groups coming to town and fighting some ideological battle that has gotten messy. That is not what is happening here. What is happening here is that several hate groups from the extreme right have come together under the "unite the right" banner here in our town and basically started acting as terrorists. This may seem like an exaggeration but it's not.

A church service was held over because they had surrounded the building and police had to disperse them. People had to be escorted to their cars. My friend was there with her daughter. Everywhere they meet, businesses close. We had drive by shootings yesterday from a van marked kkk.

A car plowed into a huge group of people. I'm sure you saw that on the newsfeeds. What you probably didn't see is that some of those people were on their way back from helping to repel a white supremacist march to predominately black housing development a few blocks away where they were attempting home invasions. I guess they were unfamiliar with the neighborhood. The residents repelled that one before antifa got there but there is some video of the alt-right folks getting run off on the daily progress twitter feed, if you're interested.

So, basically, what I'd like you to understand is, this IS NOT two side egging eachother on to unavoidable violence for more attention. This is one side of terrorists declaring that they can and will hold a town hostage (they've been saying it for over a month now, actually) and the town responding to that threat. The car that killed and injured people yesterday? Ohio tags. The medic tents (which treated both sides... turns out the alt right erst didn’t bring any medics. Guess they planned on doing all the injuring), water bottles, snacks, shade tents (all volunteer, donations, none shut down by police... all manned by that radical left you keep hearing about) yeah, we all live here. I saw a lot of people I knew yesterday, none of them were speaking for unite the right. None of them were escalating violence, most of them were offering some kind of aid and defending.
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Inb4... some balls or other.
 
Dis86 said:
A right wing ideology doesn't espouse killing though. Racist ideologies may well do however.
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That's the point.

Islam doesn't espouse killing, but extreme interpretations/ideologies do. Just as right wing ideology doesn't, but extreme interpretations/ideologies do.
 
Amp34 said:
That's the point.

Islam doesn't espouse killing, but extreme interpretations/ideologies do. Just as right wing ideology doesn't, but extreme interpretations/ideologies do.
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The Qur'an is pretty clear in some of its verses...
 
More statues toppled in America. Newscasters likening it to the toppling of Saddam Hussein.

The Taliban and ISIS also have a habit of destroying historical monuments.

Next statue at risk is one of an anonymous grey jacketed soldier that honours those drafted into the war.
 
It's ridiculous.

You can understand the tearing down of Saddam's statues and images, they had just overthrown a brutal dictator

But tearing down historical figures like this isnt right, if you really have a problem with the symbol you should petition to say, have it moved to a museum and replaced with something else
 
Freakbro said:
It's ridiculous.

You can understand the tearing down of Saddam's statues and images, they had just overthrown a brutal dictator

But tearing down historical figures like this isnt right, if you really have a problem with the symbol you should petition to say, have it moved to a museum and replaced with something else
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Agreed, I don't agree with the whole tearing down statues. I mean they been there for a number of years without anyone batting an eyelid but the whole Charlottesville protest seems to have enabled certain people to go out and take these statues down.

Saying that taking them down doesn't erase history although some people seem to think so. I mean it's been pointed out that there are no statues of Hitler but still his history of what he did is there for everyone to see and read about.

I don't know, maybe I'm missing something but it seems like all these statues being taken down is creating a situation that really isn't needed. And it just seems that give it a few more years or so and something else will pop up and cause more tension.
 
Freakbro said:
It's ridiculous.

You can understand the tearing down of Saddam's statues and images, they had just overthrown a brutal dictator

But tearing down historical figures like this isnt right, if you really have a problem with the symbol you should petition to say, have it moved to a museum and replaced with something else
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And this is the problem which will cause the cataclysm..

When we forget the brutal history of our past, we are doomed to repeat it.

The poor ***** of to past can't change it but we can. We can learn from the mistakes of old and live happily.

Burn the statues and we end up with a group trying to change history and a group trying to preserve themselves. No one is happy..
 
They should leave the horses up. They did nothing wrong.

On a tangent, are there any statues of pre-independence British monarchs still up in the US? I know that there's a famous painting of one of King George III being torn down (I assume just after the War of Independence) in DC.
 
Freakbro said:
It's ridiculous.

You can understand the tearing down of Saddam's statues and images, they had just overthrown a brutal dictator

But tearing down historical figures like this isnt right, if you really have a problem with the symbol you should petition to say, have it moved to a museum and replaced with something else
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Agreed. Hopefully they are at least being kept and stored somewhere for future use.
 
IronWarrior said:
Yes, but the difference between them both is that one group is still acting on what is said and killing people and the other isn't anymore. Christia
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One group being a small subset using what was written for political gain. Not exactly unusual in any other religion, like say many of the protestors at the very march this thread is about?
 
It's obvious both sides have extremist elements, arguing otherwise is pointless.

These differences will never go away, intact it will only get worse with social media feeding each groups belief that they are right.
 
mmj_uk said:
What I don't like is how the left distort things whenever it suits their agenda to the point of being completely hypocritical and having double standards. For example, when a Muslim commits a terror attack the left will vehemently argue it's not Islam to blame even though the terrorist will swear on Allah that he did it in the name of Islam, yet when some nut job kills some people during a protest and we don't even know why he did it the same left are all too happy to jump to conclusions and not only blame but paint the whole of the right as Nazi's/KKK/white supremacists.
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Where are all these left wingers claiming that the actions of one Nazi terrorist (because that's what he is) can be attributed to the whole 'right wing' demographic?

They certainly aren't in this thread.
 
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