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billysielu said:
Exactly, if they used picture cards like the images above .... those are Nazis.

The vast majority of the people Antifa/BLM call racist/white supremacist/facist/nazi don't look anything like that. They look like regular folk.
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ah yeah, I suppose - they look like these regular folk;

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This is my point. At Charlottesville there were nazi/kkk. But at boston there weren't. But look at the behavior of antifa/blm at boston.. they call people nazis and mob them.
 
How do you know those guys in the video were Antifa/BLM?

There were THIRTY THOUSAND counter-protesters in Boston. You are telling me they all being to those groups? I think not.
 
The violent ones are antifa/blm. The rest are like cheer leaders. I have nothing against those making their point in a peaceful way. The problem is they might be peaceful themselves but if you ask them if they think others should have the right to free speech they'll say no - they actually do support antifa/blm shutting people down, even with violence.
 
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The violent ones are antifa/blm. The rest are like cheer leaders. I have nothing against those making their point in a peaceful way. The problem is they might be peaceful themselves but if you ask them if they think others should have the right to free speech they'll say no - they actually do support antifa/blm shutting people down, even with violence.
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Well, you have to ask the question - is it possible to have a demonstration involving Neo Nazis and KKK members, dressed up in all the gear - preaching what they do, in any sort of peaceful way? is it not in itself inherently violent? Everything about both the people and their message seems violent in nature to me.

How can you peacefully want racial genocide and ethnic cleansing?
 
Not a Nazi. Called a Nazi. Mobbed.
Instead of the police arresting the guy who assaulted him, they arrested him.

Not a Nazi. Called a Nazi. Mobbed.

There's 7 hours worth of coverage here, see if you can spot the Nazis.
 
I have a vision of us being able to have this debate without violence. If people stop supporting antifa, blm, kkk, neo nazis, alt-right. Maybe we can debate the issue.

I think it goes something like this:

- free speech is a right of all Americans, legally it is, as long as they're not inciting violence.
- some people think that even if speech isn't agreeable to you, that person's right to free speech should be protected
- some people think that some speech should be prevented
- some people think hate speech should be a crime
- some people think the police are against black people
- some people think the police should be arresting anyone violent
- some people think it's okay for internet companies to shut down websites
- people on both sides have issues with how the police have handled this

So there are some genuine debates to be had, if we could just stop attacking each other.
 
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Yes we're in agreement that Charlottesville had Nazis.
We've already had the debate about there being violence on both sides of that.
Some of us think violence is not justified, some of us think it is.

You do realise that Charlottesville (your link) and Boston (my videos) are different events?
 
The killing of a protestor in Charlottesville is the culmination of months of violent protests.

Even before the election of Trump there were violent clashes but one of the high points, and what I believed took the troubles to another level, was the violence in Berkeley CA. That is where protestors ransacked a University campus that was due to host a right wing speaker. From there clashes have continued to get uglier and uglier.

It was always going to end up with a murder and I'm pretty sure there will be more before this is done.
 
What we have seen and what we always see in public protest is a hardcore of lunatics, whether they be neo-nazis or anarcho-communists, who are very quick to turn a rally into a warzone.

We have them here in our own country and they are present in the USA. The problem is that if you support one side of the protest you are automatically lumped in with the provocateurs from the other side.
 
Indeed

The right say everyone is a ********* lefty cultural marxist, facist, communist.

The left say if you march with Nazis and KKK members then you probably share those (or similar) sorts of views.
 
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The left say you're all Nazis regardless of what the truth is, because the truth is inconvenient.

Why you gotta be so abundantly biased mister, it's not endearing.
 
Does anyone know what 'social justice' means? E.g. when Corbyn says Labour stands for 'social justice'.
It concerns me because one person's justice can be another's injustice.
I kinda think they mean 'positive discrimination', which personally I don't think is positive.
But I haven't seen them clarify what they mean, it's not even clear that they mean anything.
 
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