When people get offended at the thought that BLM means other lives don't, I think it's important to remember that this isn't the intention. Rather, it is to highlight that black lives matter as much as white or any other race. However, given the history of events in the US over the last 200+ years, this doesn't always seem to be the case, hence the need to highlight equality is needed.
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As per another comment I made a page or so back; the evidence would seem to suggest that the black community should focus their energies within their own community. The lack of matter for black life is statistically at the hands of other black lives rather than any other ethnic group.
I'm personally indifferent towards any movement but having listened to interviews from spokespersons from this specific movement it has always been presented as the sentiment expressed in the above post. I just don't quite understand the obvious disproportionate wrath towards other ethnic groups, primarily white.
I'm personally indifferent towards any movement but having listened to interviews from spokespersons from this specific movement it has always been presented as the sentiment expressed in the above post. I just don't quite understand the obvious disproportionate wrath towards other ethnic groups, primarily white.
I find it's quite easy to understand.
Imagine you've just been pulled over by the police. You're a law-abiding citizen, but hey, you're black so you get pulled over 'randomly' a fair bit.
The cop starts walking towards towards your car. Now you're sweating, is this one of those innocuous traffic stops where a twitchy racist cops ends up shooting the black guy that reaches for his license? Or the crooked cop that tries to plant a weapon or drugs on you?
Personally, if that was how I had to live my life in the country I was born in, I would be pretty ****ing angry as well.
I would be too!
However, the BLM movement is not exclusively or even primarily about police discrimination and brutality towards the black community. Or is it?
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Thats why it started.
Extra judicial killings of black people by police.
Extra judicial killings of black people by police.
Precisely which led to my initial thoughts around the focus for this movement considering by far the biggest lack of matter for black lives is by other black lives when acknowledging the murder statistics by ethnic group in the states.
There is a high degree of irony for a movement which seemingly ignores and/or disregards the very cause they pertain to champion when in relation to their own communities’ culpability.
Why not rally against police brutality, leave colour or if it?
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Then the movement needs to be honest with itself, it's projected message and the wider non-black community.
Because police are killing a higher proportion of black people, and sometimes with no justification.
Maybe the guiding principles from the BLM website will help clarify things:
http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/
still why make a colour issue, its a police brutality issue.
yeah except its just not true is it?
they dont get shot more than whites by police. (tests and evidence show theyre actually far kess likley to be shot)
they have racist positive discrimination policies helping them get jobs or places in universities they didn't earn simply because of the colour of thier skin.
if BLM gave a **** about black lives theyd be focused on dealing with the massive black on black killing problems
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Ok, bearing in mind I've linked to a BBC news page which cites actual statistics that say black people are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police officers than white people, where are the links to your "tests and evidence"
And how could you even "test" this out?
It's an interesting study, but naturally the sample size is tiny and is of only one police force. Yes those cops seem to have a positive biases towards black suspects, but I think the study does little to counter statics and real life incidents. Other than if you're black, move to Spokane
Was it racism or were they being sarcastic and making a scathing commentary on irrational racist politics?
Yes, it is. The exclusion is deliberate and meaningful.
But they're lying about that too - they don't think "black" lives matter because they don't give a damn about almost all "black" people who are killed. They care only about the deaths they can use to gain power, promote their political agenda and promote racism.
It's an interesting study, but naturally the sample size is tiny and is of only one police force. Yes those cops seem to have a positive biases towards black suspects, but I think the study does little to counter statics and real life incidents. Other than if you're black, move to Spokane
Out of like 500 killings in Chicago this year, 10 were killed by the police force, that's 2%. They are literally putting their lives on the line every time they go into certain neighbourhoods, that can't do much for composure..
I remember seeing this interview, Don Lemon getting squeezed..
Uncomfortable viewing
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It's an interesting study, but naturally the sample size is tiny and is of only one police force. Yes those cops seem to have a positive biases towards black suspects, but I think the study does little to counter statics and real life incidents. Other than if you're black, move to Spokane
Statistics don't necessarily indicate what politicians claim they indicate. If police in the USA use the same degree of force against suspects in the same circumstances regardless of the suspects "race", then the proportion of "black" people killed by police in the USA will be a lot higher than the proportion of "black" people in the USA as a whole because the proportion of suspects (and violent criminals) who are "black" is a lot higher.
"real life incidents" are even less indicative of truth because (a) they are a reflection of bias and (b) the media coverage of them is an even bigger reflection of bias.
Consider, for example, the "real life incident" of Anthony O'Grady and Sunny Khalsa. They "saw" police murdering a "black" man. Straight up murdering him, shooting him dead after he had been arrested and handcuffed and was lying on the ground. They testified to that. Publically. It never happened. The man in question was in the process of trying to murder a police officer when that officer's partner shot him. A very clear case of defence, in broad daylight with numerous witnesses and independent video recording. The propaganda from BLM et alia is so extreme that it has brainwashed some people enough for them to hallucinate and form false memories even without direct prompting from "activists". The propaganda has a lesser effect on everyone, of course. Nobody is immune to propaganda.
As you know, police in the USA kill more "white" people than "black" people. Have you seen any media coverage of any of the "white" people killed, let alone a proportional amount of coverage?
But let's talk about statistics and real life incidents a bit more:
The data about people killed by the police in the USA indicates that about 25% of the people killed by police in the USA are "black".
The same data indicates that over 99% of the people killed by the police in the USA are male.
So why is the former cited as "proof" of racism while the latter far stronger correlation is not even mentioned, let alone considered proof of sexism?
Yes statistics clearly show black on black killings are higher in number than police on black killings. This is in line with stats that show intraracial killings in general are more likely, regardless of the race in question (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls). Here, there is an 83% chance of a white person being murdered by another white person, and a 90% chance of a black on black murder.
For black on black murder, there is a general trend that this is becoming less prevalent since 1990, and is lower vs the 1960s including the civil rights movement era (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2014/032.pdf). So although intraracial murder is a problem generally, it shouldn't have an impact on a movement aimed at equality for black people. And neither should the fact that males commit the vast majority of crimes. Should we ignore male violence? Of course not. But BLM doesn't need to be responsible for minimizing all black killings in the USA. Just as charities should exist for illnesses other than cancer or heart disease, despite being less likely to be a cause of death.
To the point of male murders and murderers or kills by police, yes all stats I have seen state a man is far more likely to be a killer or be killed than a woman. But this is off topic, despite being a very good candidate for a another thread on the matter. Again, BLM doesn't have to concentrate on all male killers or victims.
Police kill more white people than black - in sheer number terms yes, but proportionally that is not the case. Black males are more likely to be killed by police in the US (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/08/the-counted-police-killings-2016-young-black-men).
The case of witnesses Anthony O'Grady and Sunny Khalsa does seem to be a point where either memories are misrecalled or facts are falsified. Honestly I don't know which is applicable here, I guess you could argue either way depending on what point you want to make. Is this a one off incident or are there other examples to support a trend (genuinely curious)?
To the point of the higher proportion of black people killed by police is due to black people more likely to be involved in crime. Well, black people are more likely to have less wealth than white people in the US (http://www.epi.org/publication/black-white-wage-gaps-expand-with-rising-wage-inequality/#epi-toc-4). As this study shows (https://academic.oup.com/sf/article...tremely-Disadvantaged-Neighborhoods-and-Urban) there is a strong correlation between wealth and crime rates, but shows little race correlation when wealth is taken into account.
For black on black murder, there is a general trend that this is becoming less prevalent since 1990, and is lower vs the 1960s including the civil rights movement era (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2014/032.pdf). So although intraracial murder is a problem generally, it shouldn't have an impact on a movement aimed at equality for black people. And neither should the fact that males commit the vast majority of crimes. Should we ignore male violence? Of course not. But BLM doesn't need to be responsible for minimizing all black killings in the USA. Just as charities should exist for illnesses other than cancer or heart disease, despite being less likely to be a cause of death.
To the point of male murders and murderers or kills by police, yes all stats I have seen state a man is far more likely to be a killer or be killed than a woman. But this is off topic, despite being a very good candidate for a another thread on the matter. Again, BLM doesn't have to concentrate on all male killers or victims.
Police kill more white people than black - in sheer number terms yes, but proportionally that is not the case. Black males are more likely to be killed by police in the US (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/08/the-counted-police-killings-2016-young-black-men).
The case of witnesses Anthony O'Grady and Sunny Khalsa does seem to be a point where either memories are misrecalled or facts are falsified. Honestly I don't know which is applicable here, I guess you could argue either way depending on what point you want to make. Is this a one off incident or are there other examples to support a trend (genuinely curious)?
To the point of the higher proportion of black people killed by police is due to black people more likely to be involved in crime. Well, black people are more likely to have less wealth than white people in the US (http://www.epi.org/publication/black-white-wage-gaps-expand-with-rising-wage-inequality/#epi-toc-4). As this study shows (https://academic.oup.com/sf/article...tremely-Disadvantaged-Neighborhoods-and-Urban) there is a strong correlation between wealth and crime rates, but shows little race correlation when wealth is taken into account.
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