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Interesting. They don't get the enlarged 12.3" screen though, but the wheels are nicer :p
What are your thoughts? LCI worth the extra?

I've driven both and there isn't a huge amount of difference. The bigger screen is nice and the driver assistance functionality is further improved. This is all I really noticed over a late pre facelift car. If both cars have driver assistance pro the LCI would tempt me as it really is very very good.

The styling speaks for itself, personally I don't think the LCI is an improvement and with the M sport particularly means there are now no wheel options which are not black...
 
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Anyone had recent issues renewing online subscriptions via the My BMW app?

Tried telephoning BMW customer services to enquire but can't seem to get through to anyone atm
 
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Anyone had recent issues renewing online subscriptions via the My BMW app?

Tried telephoning BMW customer services to enquire but can't seem to get through to anyone atm
I can see them on the app but am struggling to see the benefit of them. Which one do you have and what do you use it for?
 
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I assume you already have idrive? I added a MMI box to my E93 and it works very well and pleased with it. Think I only paid £175 for it, but the site I got it from no longer exists!

Relatively easy to fit, quite hard to get all the cables back down and out of the way for the original head unit to go all the way back in, but got there.

Boots up into CarPlay automatically and is wireless too so handy. Needs an occasional reset by holding Back but not very often.

Dropped you a message to trust.
 

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Very mild facelift right? How much extra is it?
Well the 530e is available as a tax dodge on the LCI, but I'd probably prefer a 530d or 540d even though tax will be thousands (540i seems a waste of money in fuel and M550d is overkill). I'd need to drive them all, and the competition, before buying anything.

Anywhere between €10-20,000 difference between a late 2020/early 2021 LCI and a 2018-2020 pre-facelift model, depending on spec and mileage, etc.
 
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Why did you pay so much and then settle for getting it in white?
Because there aren't any with the high spec, And I have no issues with white.. Cars seem to move out of lane 3 quicker when a big white X5 comes up behind them for some reason :D
 
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Because there aren't any with the high spec, And I have no issues with white.. Cars seem to move out of lane 3 quicker when a big white X5 comes up behind them for some reason :D
If you’re doing it properly, they won’t even be able to see the colour of the car :p
 
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Well the 530e is available as a tax dodge on the LCI, but I'd probably prefer a 530d or 540d even though tax will be thousands (540i seems a waste of money in fuel and M550d is overkill). I'd need to drive them all, and the competition, before buying anything.

Anywhere between €10-20,000 difference between a late 2020/early 2021 LCI and a 2018-2020 pre-facelift model, depending on spec and mileage, etc.

I've thought about this quite a lot as I reached my self imposed 5 year ownership limit this year. I've subsequently decided not to bother doing anything, but the conclusion I reached is that what i wanted was one of the last of the pre LCI cars. This is because:

a) I think the pre LCI with Icon LED lights is a better looking car than the LCI. They've added new headlights - which always look like a Skoda Octavia in your mirror - and smoked the back lights a bit. Hmmm. Whereas the pre LCI with Icon LED is a great looking car.
b) All of the wheel options on the LCI are quite horrible - it seems nothing is safe from black wheels now
c) iDrive 7 and the new digital dash is present on the last 9 months or so of pre LCI cars
d) Not applicable to you but in the UK market the 540i is not available anymore post LCI and I'd not made up my mind with regards to diesel v petrol

The major improvement for me of the LCI was the improved driver assistant pro, but in this country we don't spec things like that, we spec massive wheels, carbon fibre spoilers and stickers that say M Performance so I was never going to find one with it fitted anyway.

Then I realised even a 12 month old pre LCI car is about £800,000 so I decided not to bother. My F10 at a year old was about £27k - I'm not interested in paying the same now for a 60,000 mile 4 year old pre LCI G30 and £40k+ for a year old 5 series diesel is ridiculous.

So the F10 stays, but hopefully my thoughts are of use to you :D

It is a shame because I've driven a lot of G30 and really like them and with this decision the opportunity to own one goes forever now.
 
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I feel your pain Fox.. I'm ready for a change on my 65 plate f10, especially as I run it without warranty and got hit with a big bill this week (less than extended warranty would have costed though over the last 3 years)

But like you say not prepared to pay current asking prices on a g30, so will keep it for the foreseeable..
 
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I feel your pain Fox.. I'm ready for a change on my 65 plate f10, especially as I run it without warranty and got hit with a big bill this week (less than extended warranty would have costed though over the last 3 years)

But like you say not prepared to pay current asking prices on a g30, so will keep it for the foreseeable..

I'm fortunate in that I really like my F10 - I've kept it immaculate and maintained the warranty so other than the irritating warranty cost it's absolutely fine.

It's just astonishing the money people are paying for cars now, so for me it makes sense to step back and watch. I cannot see the value in almost £30k for a 4 year old car with 50k on it. 2 years ago my parents got a 12 month old 630d GT for not a huge amount more than that...

Perhaps its a good opportunity to wait for the next generation 5 Series and get an early one of those. Just got to hope they don't ruin that with a stupid grille and black wheels.
 
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How much is something like this worth in 3 years with about 70,000 on the clock?



I keep looking at an F10/F11 530d for next year but the prices seem excessive at the minute, not sure what £15k would usually buy as I've not kept track before covid. My dentist has this 540i and will keep it well maintained and his commute is motorway door to door so should be in good condition when he comes to get rid of it.

 
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Who knows? Impossible to predict especially 3 years down the line.

In sensible times I'd expect a 7 year old 5 Series to be about £10-14k or so. But everything is somewhat different currently.
 
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So let's call it £20k based on current prices. :o

What you be looking for for your F10? Yours will be well kept. I met a guy at a wedding who travelled to Plymouth to buy his black E39 , trying to source style 37s for a sensible proving difficult due to covid tax.

I prefer an estate for putting the bike in the back but for that price I'd maybe swap out for a nice petrol when he is planning to change. Might have an EV for the Mrs and a thirsty petrol on the drive.

I was quite surprised by the noise from it for a modern car.
 
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I have absolutely no idea! It's already worth quite a bit more than I projected it would be when I bought it back in 2016. The market will probably have corrected by then, though.

I'll keep it now until the new 5 Series comes out in about 2 years time I'd imagine.
 
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So after Mercedes has messed me around I am now looking at a BME X5 45e. I know the engine is a step up over the GLE diesel hybrid that I was looking at but BMW really know how too charge for options!!!! Despite both base hybrid cars starting out at only £800 difference (merc cheaper), If I spec the X5 up to the same options that the Merc has, I come out about £12k more expensive!!!!!

So something has to give on the BMW.

SO I currently have 2 cars specced up

I pretty fully loaded xline and cut down M sport.

Will i regret not going with the Msport or will the options on the xline make that the more desirable vehicle? What am I missing by not getting the Msport? Just the brakes and the rest is all cosmetic?

xline: https://configure.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/configid/txkgrntx

Msport: https://configure.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/configid/94yvn6sa or a slight variation https://configure.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/configid/a18omb9l

Anything anybody would change? The price is basically the max, maybe the odd £100 to play with. The xline gets the tech plus pack plus adaptive steering and acoustic glass, upgraded leather and a few other options I cant tick on the Msport.

So annoyed somebody at BMW UK has decided you cant have the B&W sound upgrade without adding the stupid £2400 sky roof (why not the £1600 normal panoramic roof like the rest of the world???) so makes the stereo a £5,650 option. :(
 
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Honestly on the 45e the msport is cosmetic. The air suspension and setup is the same and the normal brakes are fine. Also the normal seats are already really nice, I had the comfort seats on my g30 and imho not worth the extra but sit in them and decide what you prefer.
I'd drop the crazy expensive paint I think that blue is too dark anyways on the brick that is the X5.
Then again mine is black and I'd be the first to say I think it's kind of an ugly car.

Depending how you purchase the car some options are essentially way cheaper than others since they are considered to increase resale. So depends if you care all that much about list price.

good points. The thing that gets me about the standard seats is they have no adjustable lumbar. Shocking for a £70k car to not have that as standard imo.

I love that blue but point taken about the x5 being a bit of an ugly brick. Definitely the worst looking in its class.

anything else you consider essential?
 
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I'm having difficulty with this 'the base car is the same price but once I add the same options its £11k more' thing. It doesn't seem right to me that there is such a difference an I suspect your spec comparison is not quite like with like.

Can you give us an example of some of the things where the BMW equivalent is considerably more expensive than the Mercedes alternative?

A good example is the B&O stereo - this is not simply the 'upgraded stereo', that is normally the Harmon Kardon system (but is currently unavailable due to the supply issues). The B&O has always existed as an ultra premium nobody-ever-picks-it option way above HK and isn't therefore just the alternative to the Burmeister system in the Mercedes.

You don't need to spend £2500 on a comfort pack to get lumbar support either, it's available on its own.

Plus Integral Active Steering and Acoustic Glass for £1500? Why? I'd probably rather spend that on a lighting upgrade?
 
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I'm having difficulty with this 'the base car is the same price but once I add the same options its £11k more' thing. It doesn't seem right to me that there is such a difference an I suspect your spec comparison is not quite like with like.

Can you give us an example of some of the things where the BMW equivalent is considerably more expensive than the Mercedes alternative?

A good example is the B&O stereo - this is not simply the 'upgraded stereo', that is normally the Harmon Kardon system (but is currently unavailable due to the supply issues). The B&O has always existed as an ultra premium nobody-ever-picks-it option way above HK and isn't therefore just the alternative to the Burmeister system in the Mercedes.

I was comparing the Burmester to the HK not the b&0. Plus since you can’t have the b&o stereo on its own anymore it’s now a £5650 option

prime example or extra cost difference.

take the premium plus option on the merc for £4250.

this adds

panoramic sunroof - £2,400 on the bmw as you can’t have the normal £1600 in the U.K.
Driver assistance package - only as part (main part) or the tech plus package on bmw which costs £3995. Take off £1695 that the hud and gesture package costs and you have £2300
Air balance package - only as part of comfort plus package on bmw so no idea of single cost and useless in both cars anyway
Multi function steering wheel in nappa leather - part of msport package? Or standard on the bmw?
Burmester upgraded stereo - £995 I think on bmw when you could sill get HK
22” alloys upgrade from 21” on the premium, wider on the rear - another minimum£695 on the bmw after you have gone to 21” on the pro pack
comfort entry package - hard to tell as you have to add the full comfort package on the bmw as you can’t add this by yourself anymore.

so ignoring comfort entry you are looking at Least £6400 for the same options. Pretty much the same all the way through the options list, everything on the bmw costs the odd few hundred quid more but all adds up when speccing up a highly specked car. Even paint is £100 more on the bmw and £500 more for the special colours. I think that’s why bmw priced the base model so close to mercs car so they could suck you in on the extras.

other things help that adaptive led headlights, tinted rear glass, 360 cameras are standard across the merc range and would all cost extra on the x45 and quite a lot esp if they end up being bundled in packages with things you don’t want. Like I really want lumbar adjustable comfy seats and comfort access entry but don’t really want heated cup holders and armrests and heated rear seats but would have to spend £2400 to get the two items I do want.

so yes you do end up with a bmw much higher species than the merc as it will have things like the hud which you can’t get on the merc but your final price will be massively more. The fully loaded merc comes in at £75,695 in met paint and tow bar.

if I try and spec up the 45e to the same price you don’t get many options ticked hence why my two bmw specs are £78k and they are both making compromises and missing things on the merc spec.

it’s even worse if you compare it to the Touareg R which starts at £72k but comes with masses of equipment.With every single option ticked on that car you get to similar price as merc even with soft close doors etc. Price goes through the roof on the x5 with all those gadgets ticked.
 
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Cross post :)

New to me car:







Wasn’t the exact car I was after, but got it for an amazing deal, paying a few thousand pounds less than market price due to family member falling ill.


Just had the iDrive upgraded to version 6, with full screen CarPlay.


Timing chain needs doing, as it’s noisy, but only 65K miles so it’s a next 3 months type thing (only do few miles per month at the moment), rather than this week.


Overall, lovely condition and very happy with it :)
 
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