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I must have seen that image at least 100 times in the last 2 weeks !!

BMW don't even have a large grill (Except 7 series).
Since ~2009 the front grill on most Audi's has been much bigger than the recent BMW designs. Lexus have gone large on their grill for 6+ years too.
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Meh, I think the XM looks awesome. A bit too much like a Skoda Kodiaq at the rear 3/4, but I'd have one.
 
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What?

The grille on the 4 Series stretches the entire height of the front bumper and headlight area.
Yet Audi since 2009 - same height but 3x wider

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I know several lifelong BMW purchasers who have moved away now.
Reminds me when Jaguar updated their XJ model from the 30+ year design to the X351 model in 2010 and all the Boomers hated it. Designs need to shift and move with the times, but I get people find change challenging !
Older customers move on - new customers start the journey, such is life :p
 
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Like a MASSIVE set of nostrils on the front of the car,
apparently eye brows, from chinese perspective

Fan Zhang, Design Vice President at GAC Motor, is quick to get a particularly trite cliché out the way in this context: «Copycat designs don’t sell. Young customers are far too educated for that. This second generation of car owners is united in its dislike of copycats.» In addition to the token superior user interface and user experience, Fan Zhang identifies another core trait of the ‘native’ Chinese automobile: «Customers tire of cars easily. Dominant types of design only last for so long.» Right now, he characterises the dominant type thus: «A front fascia with eyebrows that give a mean look - that’s a Chinese front.» But this front may fall out of favour again any second, given the general absence of brand loyalty and insatiable hunger for the new - hence the need to redesign cars at a pace not unlike the American car industry’s in the 1950s. «Styling needs to change fast, be new, which is why we have to run our company efficiently. We introduce new styling every 24 months, but design quality mustn’t suffer.»
 
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Another awful looking car, which sells in comparatively small numbers compared to its competition. Not the best example.


Reminds me when Jaguar updated their XJ model from the 30+ year design to the X351 model in 2010 and all the Boomers hated it. Designs need to shift and move with the times, but I get people find change challenging !
Older customers move on - new customers start the journey, such is life :p

Yea, what happened with the XJ is the older customers moved on and new customers began the journey.

Oh wait no what actually happened is it ended up being the last XJ and went out of production. Whoops.
 
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Just like the Bangle cars it will date badly. To my eyes it’s a hideous monstrosity that should be burned.
 
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My father is looking into a 2015/2016 era BMW 5 Series (F10?), he's not sure if the 520 or 530 is his preferred option but he does crunch a few miles per year (18-25k) so I'd assume that it would be a dag dag - happy to explain to him that 520i/530i is a better option if it is? He mainly drives to the golf course on the weekend so it needs to "look good in the carpark", I think it looks great anyway.

Is this era of 5 series a good car for motorway cruising and general comfort and drive? I've seen some with a very small satnav and some with a much larger one in the dash, which spec comes with the larger? Is it the MSport?

If anyone could suggest some "must have" options in the spec list so he can refine his choice that would be great, I know there are a few 5 series fans on the forum. I have almost zero knowledge of BMWs aside from the no indicators trope so seeking help from you wise ones.
 
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My father is looking into a 2015/2016 era BMW 5 Series (F10?), he's not sure if the 520 or 530 is his preferred option but he does crunch a few miles per year (18-25k) so I'd assume that it would be a dag dag - happy to explain to him that 520i/530i is a better option if it is? He mainly drives to the golf course on the weekend so it needs to "look good in the carpark", I think it looks great anyway.

The 520i is very rare (and not very good either, not quick but not economical) and the 530i was discontinued at the facelift, so all are 13 plate or older now. The most common petrol option is the 528i whcih is a 4 cylinder turbo with 245bhp. They are very rare so its unlikely you'll come across one. If you particularly dislike diesel, it's a reasonable choice, but when I test drove one years back in an attempt to get away from driving a diesel I ended up with another 530d instead, so read into that what you will.

In 2014, the 2 litre diesel changed from the N Series to the B Series. The B Series is newer, slightly more powerful and hopefully more reliable. I think at this point I'd not want a 520d without the B Series engine.

Is this era of 5 series a good car for motorway cruising and general comfort and drive?

Absolutely! It's great for that.

I've seen some with a very small satnav and some with a much larger one in the dash, which spec comes with the larger? Is it the MSport?

The only trim level which comes with the Professional Navigation screen as standard is the Luxury - otherwise, its optional. So you'll need to pick a car with it fitted as an option if you want an M Sport. Even if you're not particularly going to use the nav its probably worth finding, it doesn't add a huge amount to the price and the silly little screen spoils the interior a bit.

If anyone could suggest some "must have" options in the spec list so he can refine his choice that would be great, I know there are a few 5 series fans on the forum. I have almost zero knowledge of BMWs aside from the no indicators trope so seeking help from you wise ones.

With the facelift, you don't need THAT many options. Obviously a fully loaded car is a wonderful thing but these are few and far between and almost everything you'd actually want is standard anyway (heated seats, better instrument cluster on post April 2014 cars, dual zone climate etc). So I'd probably stick Professional Navigation as the only must have - everything else is nice to have if you can find it but don't compromise on condition or engine choice to get more spec beyond Pro Nav. It's unlikely you'll find one with only Pro nav anyway, if somebody optioned Pro nav they likely added a few more bits too.
 
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He's pretty much covered it all in that post.

Pro nav is all I'm trying to stick with as a must have, I've found cameras and folding mirrors are more common on the 520d over the 530d.

They are quite highly priced at the moment for a car that was last made on a 66 plate but the whole market is a mess.
 
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It astonishes me how expensive they are. I'm a huge F10 fan but £20k for an F10 5 Series just seems crazy now. When I bought mine I projected that after 5 years of ownership - when it would be 6 years old - it would have a residual value of £12k. It's somewhat overshot that, which is nice, but then anything I'd replace it with is even more, so it's of no real use. I'll just keep it!

But then I look at how much people are paying for an F30 3 Series - a car that is inferior in every way - and I guess it doesn't seem so bad after all :eek:
 
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Yeah they seem to be around the £19k+ mark for the ones he is looking at.

Seems to have settled on a 520d now and luckily he's in no rush so can take the time to find the right one.

Or, you know, the market sorts itself out

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