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The guy sounds like a dreamer but there are quite a number of Fabias/Golfs/Ibizas with 1.9TDIs and hybrid turbos etc making that kind of power
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The guy sounds like a dreamer but there are quite a number of Fabias/Golfs/Ibizas with 1.9TDIs and hybrid turbos etc making that kind of power
Got a friend with a Fabia 1.9 tdi running >300bhp, it's quick but rather compromised!
Re: M2... They still haven't made the exhaust sound as mean as the car actually looks 
You look at it and think "That's going to sound so amazing", but then it pulls away and it sounds muffled and not what you'd expect. The stock M4 is exactly the same Why not just put the higher spec sports exhaust on by default?
You look at it and think "That's going to sound so amazing", but then it pulls away and it sounds muffled and not what you'd expect. The stock M4 is exactly the same
Why not just put the higher spec sports exhaust on by default?
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[TW]Fox;29383753 said:
Indeed, lovely though it is, it starts looking really expensive when it's costing more than an M3/M4.
It's annoying that all the reviews coming out are saying how great it is at just £43k, when it's anything but £43k in reality, and I think delivery times are well into 2018 now.
Very nice colour though.
Well...
This. I know of at least one local to me making that sort of power.
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I really don't think a standard specification for a small coupe which includes leather, Xenon's and Professional Media Package can be described as 'sparse' IMHO.
Infact everything on the options list bar SMG looks like a 'nice to have' rather than an 'essential'.
Infact everything on the options list bar SMG looks like a 'nice to have' rather than an 'essential'.
[TW]Fox;29384002 said:
Agreed. Honestly the only things I'd add would be upgraded audio, adaptive lights and folding mirrors (I think heated seats are standard on the M2? If not I'd add them too). Still, with the DCT box when I spec'd one up it came to £51k OTR, and that's firmly in M3/M4 territory.
[TW]Fox;29384002 said:
A £50k car having xenons and leather is hardly anything to rave about any more. 15 years ago that would have been noteworthy. 10 years ago BMW were fitting these as standard to an E92 318i. Hell, my girlfriends £400 Mazda 6 has both leather and xenons. The professional iDrive is good though.
Maybe I've been spoiled (ha!) but a 2016 M car where you still have to pull handles and shuffle yourself around to adjust the seat isn't great. Electric memory seats w/lumbar should be standard - whereas BMW want another £1000 for these, plus another £300 if you want them heated. It only has the basic bluetooth as standard also as opposed to the enhanced.
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[TW]Fox;29384159 said:
It couldn't be described as well equipped. The only thing that it has which is expected on this type of car is the iDrive. Things like electric seats certainly don't fall into the "nice to have" category of a £50k ///M car. A nice to have in 2016 would be upgraded audio, reversing cameras, adaptive suspension (which isn't even an optional extra) and HUD's.
[TW]Fox;29384159 said:It has everything you'd reasonably need, regardless of what was standard on a made up 316i or a £400 Mazda
You'd really be happy with black (and only black) leather, xenons and iDrive for your £50,000 (or £61,000 as someone has posted!)? You're a man of humble desires
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Haha! I had a feeling they would be extracting the urine with that one!
I strongly disagree. Remember, this is the hot version of an entry level coupe.
It's not £50k it's £44070 before options. This is not £50k.
For context, this is the price of, say, a 530d. Which also doesn't have electric memory seats as standard.
This is not the hyper-expensive exotic-car you appear to think it is - for what it is, it's well specified.
You'd really be happy with black (and only black) leather, xenons and iDrive for your £50,000 (or £61,000 as someone has posted!)? You're a man of humble desires
For my £44k if I wanted that sort of car - yes, I would.
Frankly there isn't much it hasn't got that my 5 Series has, even!
I really cannot see any standout items missing there. It has everything you could reasonably expect in this sort of car. It's a 2 Series not an M5!
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[TW]Fox;29384223 said:
I love the looks, I love the size and it sounds like I'd love the drive, but it has nothing that suggests to me this is anything other than basic stuff.
[TW]Fox;29384223 said:
Right you are, I was adding on the DCT because why wouldn't you. But even then it's £46.5k
[TW]Fox;29384223 said:
I will respectfully disagree. Whilst you've convinced me it isn't as sparse as a sparse thing, I think "adequately equipped" is more fitting.
[TW]Fox;29384223 said:
It's just not got anything at all "wow!" on it. Like you say, this is probably down to the fact it's a 2 series. But then we look to only the class above and trhe 3/4 series has plenty of cool things like CFRP bits, carbon ceramic brake option, Adaptive suspension, LED headlights, HUD's etc but it appears not one thing has trickled it's way down to the 2 series.
I just think it's standard options (and even optional extras) are something I would expect to find in a BMW sales brochure 10 years ago. Having had a look at the options list of the old E82 1M, it's almost identical in kit levels and optional extras. I would expect the game to have moved on in 5 years and a whole new model.
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This would depend entirely on how you define an equivilent petrol. This is actually quite difficult in the current BMW range.
If the equivalent petrol is a 430i then there are considerable benefits - it is smoother, more refined, more powerful, offers a noticeable performance advantage is more efficient.
If the equivalent petrol is a 440i then there are no benefits apart from MPG - which is of course why this engine is barely offered in markets where fuel price is a triviality. But of course we don't live in those markets and our fuel price is not trivial therefore it's a fairly considerable benefit - but it's a financial decision.
The 430d is priced exactly midway between the 430i and the 440i. It's a couple of grand more expensive than a 430i and a couple of grand cheaper than a 440i.
Personally I don't think this engine works in a 4 Series convertible. It probably does in a 4 Series Coupe and it absolutely definitely does in a 5 Series or 7 Series saloon where the increased refinement is such that it works wonderfully with the car. It's not a sports car engine - which is why there is no Z4 SDrive30d.
Welcome to the law of diminishing returns. There is only so much you can really do and when your small coupe already has widescreen navigation, dual zone climate control, leather, Xenons, black panel display etc then enormous leaps in terms of offered equipment are not going to be found versus cars 5 years ago. Remember that generationally the generation the 2 Series is on began with the F01 7 Series 7 and a half years ago..
BMW's treatment of electric memory seats has always been bizarre - they went through a phase of including them as standard on the 'top' version of each model, so you ended up in odd situations whereby a Z4 3.0i and a 330Ci had electric memory seats as standard yet a more expensive 530i did not. They've sort of abandoned that premise now and the standard seats on some models are so electric that it's almost hard to justify the extra (On the LCI 5 Series the standard seat is fully electric with the exception of forward and backward, meaning its very hard to justify spending a grand for memory function!) yet on others leaving almost everything manual.
I need this: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif...417lb&maximum-age=up_to_9_years_old&logcode=p
Just need a m3 now.
Just need a m3 now.
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I really dislike the soft-tops. Coupes look so much better.
Found a 3 series yesterday that looked like exactly what i'll be looking for in a few years time. 320i and pretty much all the toys. Nice colour too, the dark grey
Found a 3 series yesterday that looked like exactly what i'll be looking for in a few years time. 320i and pretty much all the toys. Nice colour too, the dark grey
Why would you plan to get a 320i? A 320i is the sort of thing you end up with after not being able to find a different one surely. Seems odd to plan for a 320i - it offers nothing that other models in the 3 Series range don't simply do better, with the possible exception of availability at certain pricepoints?