BNP

jezsoup · 24 Apr 2006 at 10:32

Tommy B said:
Why can't BNP hate chavs instead. Then if they got into power we could clear the mess up for good.

Becasue half the followers of the BNP are the Chavs!

KaHn · 24 Apr 2006 at 10:53

jezsoup said:
Becasue half the followers of the BNP are the Chavs!

Wow your on a role for generlisations today, do you get all your information from the sun newspaper or does it come to you in a dream?

KaHn

jezsoup · 24 Apr 2006 at 11:01

KaHn said:
Wow your on a role for generlisations today, do you get all your information from the sun newspaper or does it come to you in a dream?

KaHn

Or from the fact that where I live (Bradford) the majority of people who follow the BNP (note I said majority not all) are what would be labelled as Chavs.

KaHn · 24 Apr 2006 at 11:04

jezsoup said:
Or from the fact that where I live (Bradford) the majority of people who follow the BNP (note I said majority not all) are what would be labelled as Chavs.

Yet I have only seen muslims as suicide bombers on TV, should I label the majority of them as suicide bombers?

Your points and views are blinded by your personal views and lack of knowledge on a subject, please take your head out of what ever arts degree your doing and actually live a bit.

KaHn

jezsoup · 24 Apr 2006 at 11:11

KaHn said:
Yet I have only seen muslims as suicide bombers on TV, should I label the majority of them as suicide bombers?

Your points and views are blinded by your personal views and lack of knowledge on a subject, please take your head out of what ever arts degree your doing and actually live a bit.

KaHn

Lol with the assumptions and generalisations, for the record Im working (in the real world paying taxes etc etc) after doing a year and a half at manchetser doing Biomedical Material Sciences, and transfering to Braford in September to do Biomedical Sciences. Just to clear up those messy assumptions

My points of view are my points of view gathered by what I have seen, read and heared. Granted Bradford and Manchester arnt exacty representative fo the whole UK but go a fair way into displaying trends. EG many of followers of the BNP are what would be labelled as Chavs, ill say it again, I didnt say all I said many.

KaHn · 24 Apr 2006 at 11:15

jezsoup said:
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I still class that as an artsy degree, but thats beside the point.

Where as your opinions are ultimitally based on other peoples views (what other people have wrote, what other people say and what other people do), I try to base my on research and views which I form out of my own opinion.

KaHn

jezsoup · 24 Apr 2006 at 11:25

KaHn said:
I still class that as an artsy degree, but thats beside the point.

Where as your opinions are ultimitally based on other peoples views (what other people have wrote, what other people say and what other people do), I try to base my on research and views which I form out of my own opinion.

KaHn

Ok you class that as an artsy degree if you will :/ granted beside the point no idea why it was dragged into this ho hum...

No my readings and such are part of my research. If you dont at least part base your opinions on "what other people have wrote, what other people say and what other people do" what do you base it on.

KaHn · 24 Apr 2006 at 11:26

jezsoup said:
No my readings and such are part of my research. If you dont at least part base your opinions on "what other people have wrote, what other people say and what other people do" what do you base it on.

Fact?

KaHn

spirit · 24 Apr 2006 at 11:37

oh yes the BNP is great:

they will leave eu, stop multiculturalism, improve 'free speech' to allow racial/religious attacks etc, regress the education system (eliminate 'nonsense subjects'), stop outreach programs to encourage racial minorities to vote, somehow remove owners from their own companies (media barons), have some general crazy ideas about parliament/NHS, repeal 1997 law on guns, this one is good deporting all carriers of AIDs/TB, asset stripping of foriegn doctors?, income tax is being removed (i wonder how things will be funded), one of the axioms sounds like communism 'owners should work and workers should own'

etc
etc
etc

LETS ALL VOTE BNP.

jezsoup · 24 Apr 2006 at 11:38

KaHn said:
Fact?

KaHn

Numbers and figures are gathered by people and are often subjective and often dont fully reflect the whole story, Numbers on a piece of paper arnt the full story.

cleanbluesky · 24 Apr 2006 at 11:40

KaHn said:
Check the voting for my area labour are here to stay, I think we need to remove the 3 main parties from the running as they have too much "slack" and can get away with not keeping to policies.

I wouldn't be surprised if your loval politicians were much less confident than you would think. Even so, voting against them will seriously scare them - because ultimately all Labour care about is Winning and if that isn't happening then someone needs to be Blamed.

cleanbluesky · 24 Apr 2006 at 11:40

Arcade Fire said:
Some might say that choosing your vote purely because you don't like the party currently in power is indicative of somebody who doesn't understand politics!

Would they? If so they wouldn't understand the mentality of politicians. Of course, you are TOLD on what principles you SHOULD vote - but generally it is the human condition to choose what is in your interest rather than merely to accept whatever we are told

KaHn · 24 Apr 2006 at 11:43

jezsoup said:
Numbers and figures are gathered by people and are often subjective and often dont fully reflect the whole story, Numbers on a piece of paper arnt the full story.

What are you trying to say? Fact isnt fact any more and hear say is?

KaHn

jezsoup · 24 Apr 2006 at 11:52

KaHn said:
What are you trying to say? Fact isnt fact any more and hear say is?

KaHn

Oh sweet mercy! Lets go back a step, where do you get these said facts from?

BTW having a local BNP member telling me where to go and **** off with all the other pakis to where I came from is a lot more than just hear-say. Especially when Is happened a few times not just to me but many people i know:/

spirit · 24 Apr 2006 at 11:53

KaHn said:
I'm sorry to but in with out reading the thread, I do think the BNP have some good policies ( hardlining immigration) but lie all candidates they are very false, I do not know who I am going to vote for next general election.

KaHn

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what is your academic history and current job just out of interest
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oh yes they are great policies!!!

deporting, refusing any immigrants because apparently they have to seek refuge in the nearest safe country - thus only fr dk etc are eligible, keep people held in refugee centres (reminds me of australia where they do it on another island), remove all immigrants in uk by either voluntary means (allow them to stay until brits can be retrained to take their job) or find them gestapo style

so very niave, i bet they have no real economists etc on staff, i wonder how england would survive with such a crazy policy.

yet the 1951 UN convention says

'The Contracting States shall apply the provisions of this Convention to refugees without discrimination as to race, religion or country of origin.'

& after 3 years in the country they become must become full citizens or something like that
etc etc

KaHn · 24 Apr 2006 at 12:01

spirit said:
[edit]
what is your academic history and current job just out of interest
[/edit]

I graduated from Manchester university after doing my degree in Aerospace Engineering, I am currently doing my MSc at Newcastle University in Mechanical Engineering.

My current job is as a lowley bar staff, but I am going through officer selection for the Royal Air Force.

KaHn

/edit :- Also spirit, I didnt say that the BNP are the ideal party and I have never said that stopping immigrants to the UK is a good thing, I think that illegal immigrants should be deported regardless. If you read up I stated that they have some decent policies and a way of thinking which people could learn from with out giving them power, also as stated before the shroud surrounding them as all nazi wannabes is false and people who believe what they see in the sun or any other tabloid is naive.

KaHn

KaHn · 24 Apr 2006 at 12:11

jezsoup said:
Oh sweet mercy! Lets go back a step, where do you get these said facts from?

BTW having a local BNP member telling me where to go and **** off with all the other pakis to where I came from is a lot more than just hear-say. Especially when Is happened a few times not just to me but many people i know:/

Yet me walking down a street in england and getting hit because I am white is another issue to deal with? I think you are missing a lot here. You are obviously biased on this so their is no point in continuing it.

KaHn

jezsoup · 24 Apr 2006 at 12:12

KaHn said:
:- Also spirit, I didnt say that the BNP are the ideal party and I have never said that stopping immigrants to the UK is a good thing, I think that illegal immigrants should be deported regardless. If you read up I stated that they have some decent policies and a way of thinking which people could learn from with out giving them power, also as stated before the shroud surrounding them as all nazi wannabes is false and people who believe what they see in the sun or any other tabloid is naive.

KaHn

I agree witha lot you say there totally, they have a fee good ideas, but have a lot of other very, frankly, daft ideas. Also they have far too amny ties with too many racist groups (this is undenyable). If the BNP was only about their policies and had nothing to do with all these racist idiots then I would view them as a valid party. The problem I have is, in bradford, there are a lot of ethnic minoroty groups, so much so, that in many areas the minorites are now majorities, it is this which leads to the rather large presence of these racists who are attached to the BNP.

jezsoup · 24 Apr 2006 at 12:15

KaHn said:
Yet me walking down a street in england and getting hit because I am white is another issue to deal with? I think you are missing a lot here. You are obviously biased on this so their is no point in continuing it.

KaHn

No I am not biased, I just hate rascists and them trying to justify their existance in the political scene.

Also I hate the atitude the UK has adopted somehow, that its only racist if the person being attacked is black. It has lead to, in bradford a lot of hatred towards the minorites because many know they can pull the race card and it works. Its one thing I will never EVER do.

dirtydog · 24 Apr 2006 at 12:17

spirit said:
yet the 1951 UN convention says

And that's why we should withdraw from that agreement, because the world has changed since it was drawn up and it puts us in a legal straitjacket which we do not need to be in.