BNP

cleanbluesky · 24 Apr 2006 at 12:26

jezsoup said:
I agree witha lot you say there totally, they have a fee good ideas, but have a lot of other very, frankly, daft ideas. Also they have far too amny ties with too many racist groups (this is undenyable). If the BNP was only about their policies and had nothing to do with all these racist idiots then I would view them as a valid party. The problem I have is, in bradford, there are a lot of ethnic minoroty groups, so much so, that in many areas the minorites are now majorities, it is this which leads to the rather large presence of these racists who are attached to the BNP.

1) As far as their ideas of immigration and present ideas on repatriation are concerned I think that they may be a lot better than you would believe. There are many immigrants and ethnic minorities who do not seem to have a place within our society and seem to prefer foreign cultuer above UK culture.

2) I would also hope that the ties with more extreme parties work both ways - e.g. I would hope that there are a lot of people who may have potentially felt attracted to NF or C18 style groups and chose the BNP instead - so rather than putting their disallusionment into naked agression it becomes political ambition instead... although I must admit BNP ties to some groups occaisionally concern me

Murf · 24 Apr 2006 at 12:43

dirtydog said:
And that's why we should withdraw from that agreement, because the world has changed since it was drawn up and it puts us in a legal straitjacket which we do not need to be in.

Agreed. It's complete garbage. As far as I'm concerned there is not a single genuine asylum seeker in this country as we don't share a border with any country where people are fleeing persectution. They're coming here because we're an easier target than others, and we're ace to boot.

We should let in a set amount of asylum seekers, and a set amount of immigrants on a points basis but anyone who attempts to illegally break into the country should forfeit all right of appeal and be deported back to where they came from.

As for the BNP, if I'm going to make a protest vote I'd rather it be the green party. I understand a lot of people can be frustrated and think the BNP have turned a corner but I am still very, very suspicious about them.

spirit · 24 Apr 2006 at 12:52

KaHn said:
Yet me walking down a street in england and getting hit because I am white is another issue to deal with? I think you are missing a lot here. You are obviously biased on this so their is no point in continuing it.

KaHn

id say theres more of an issue to not being white than being white.

wordy · 24 Apr 2006 at 12:53

cleanbluesky said:
BNP anti-homo views are less severe than ElRaz's - but what else do you expect... people adopt the attitudes that are in their own interests on the whole, anyone who makes a 'moral decision' on such issues obviously believes they live in such opulence that their safety is secure regardless political decision

Very true, but it's someone who is so strongly biggoted against a particular group of people and crying omfg rasicts!!1! is hypocritical

KaHn · 24 Apr 2006 at 12:54

spirit said:
id say theres more of an issue to not being white than being white.

In some areas you would be mistaken.

KaHn

spirit · 24 Apr 2006 at 13:03

KaHn said:
In some areas you would be mistaken.

KaHn

care to elaborate?

KaHn · 24 Apr 2006 at 13:08

spirit said:
care to elaborate?

Bradford for one, I have walked through a prodomintaly muslim area to be called a "white ****" and had things hurled at me, I have had simliar from my town but not as bad.

KaHn

phykell · 24 Apr 2006 at 13:29

cleanbluesky said:
There are many immigrants and ethnic minorities who do not seem to have a place within our society and seem to prefer foreign cultuer above UK culture.

There are a lot of native British people who also seem to prefer foreign culture above UK culture though, that's why so many people emigrate/retire abroad when they can afford it.

jezsoup said:
EG many of followers of the BNP are what would be labelled as Chavs, ill say it again, I didnt say all I said many.

Even worse, the membership and the leadership of the BNP include convicted criminals, terrorists and thugs.

KaHn · 24 Apr 2006 at 13:31

phykell said:
There are a lot of native British people who also seem to prefer foreign culture above UK culture though, that's why so many people emigrate/retire abroad when they can afford it.

But when they emigrate to a different country they take in that culture, I have met people who do not speak a word of english and do not wish to. Which imo is wrong I always try to learn basic phrases no matter where I go in the world, it shows respect.

KaHn

Wryel · 24 Apr 2006 at 13:31

Just had a look at some of the environmental policies:

"The BNP is committed to a policy of National Energy Independence based on, so far as possible, renewable energy sources supplying our national energy needs. This must be achieved within a decade of the BNP taking power."

TEN YEARS!! You must be joking!

They also plan to encourage the training of Thatchers as part of their environmental policy, just to make things sensible.

KaHn · 24 Apr 2006 at 13:34

Wryel said:
Just had a look at some of the environmental policies:

"The BNP is committed to a policy of National Energy Independence based on, so far as possible, renewable energy sources supplying our national energy needs. This must be achieved within a decade of the BNP taking power."

TEN YEARS!! You must be joking!

They also plan to encourage the training of Thatchers as part of their environmental policy, just to make things sensible.

Like I said some things are pretty funky

KaHn

phykell · 24 Apr 2006 at 13:35

KaHn said:
But when they emigrate to a different country they take in that culture, I have met people who do not speak a word of english and do not wish to. Which imo is wrong I always try to learn basic phrases no matter where I go in the world, it shows respect. KaHn

Your generalisation means very little. I've met many UK people abroad, who don't speak a word of the native language but that's not the point. CBS talked as though it's wrong for people to prefer their own culture having moved to the UK. I know of one guy who moved to NZ and only pops back to the UK to earn money to pursue his NZ lifestyle. I know a Kiwi who works in the UK for a year or so and then goes back to NZ to live it up. We're all individuals, and we should all be entitled to our individual freedom.

KaHn · 24 Apr 2006 at 13:37

phykell said:
Your generalisation means very little. I've met many UK people abroad, who don't speak a word of the native language but that's not the point. CBS talked as though it's wrong for people to prefer their own culture having moved to the UK. I know of one guy who moved to NZ and only pops back to the UK to earn money to pursue his NZ lifestyle. I know a Kiwi who works in the UK for a year or so and then goes back to NZ to live it up. We're all individuals, and we should all be entitled to our individual freedom.

Good point, I know some people dont try but thus is the nature of man and women :/

KaHn

spirit · 24 Apr 2006 at 14:01

also arent non-whites BANNED from being members of the party, hence it is racist ?!

leaskovski · 24 Apr 2006 at 14:14

spirit said:
also arent non-whites BANNED from being members of the party, hence it is racist ?!

Blooming whities!

(its a joke dognab it! :eek:

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Messiah Khan · 24 Apr 2006 at 14:27

spirit said:
also arent non-whites BANNED from being members of the party, hence it is racist ?!

Nope. One of the BNP coucilers is a Pakastani Born coloured guy. I agree with Kahn on a lot of this thread. The BNP do have some stupid and racist/verging on racist policies, but they also have some decent policies ideas. I think a lot of the people posting in the thread are jumping on stereotypes of BNP members, which is surely just as bad as jumping on stereotypes of other races. I am by no means racist(I have friends from other cultures and countries, I have lived in another country, and I intend to live in another country in the future) But I do agree with some of the ideas and ploicies of the BNP.

cleanbluesky · 24 Apr 2006 at 14:36

wordy said:
Very true, but it's someone who is so strongly biggoted against a particular group of people and crying omfg rasicts!!1! is hypocritical

Merely having a homo-critical opinion does not make him bigotted. I don't agree with him but believe that his opinions should be judged as prejudiced based on his reasoning, rather than for just having an unpopular opinion

cleanbluesky · 24 Apr 2006 at 14:38

phykell said:
Your generalisation means very little. I've met many UK people abroad, who don't speak a word of the native language but that's not the point. CBS talked as though it's wrong for people to prefer their own culture having moved to the UK. I know of one guy who moved to NZ and only pops back to the UK to earn money to pursue his NZ lifestyle. I know a Kiwi who works in the UK for a year or so and then goes back to NZ to live it up. We're all individuals, and we should all be entitled to our individual freedom.

You've interpereted my words incorrectly, CBS in fact hinted at the problems that arise when entire cohesive sections of a country have little or no respect for their host country and certainly do not consider it 'home'

wordy · 24 Apr 2006 at 14:51

cleanbluesky said:
Merely having a homo-critical opinion does not make him bigotted. I don't agree with him but believe that his opinions should be judged as prejudiced based on his reasoning, rather than for just having an unpopular opinion

I would have to disagree in this case, I think it is a little stronger than
homo-critical, calling homosexuals a cancer on our society, then stating there should be drugs developed that can cure them of "gayness" and also suggesting they should be denied rights mereily because of their sexual oritentation is a pretty biggoted attitude.

If he is not biggoted for having an unpopular view then surely the BNP should not be classed as bigots or racists as they have an unpopular view just against a different group of people. But I bet OP would disagree with us on this point

Spacky · 24 Apr 2006 at 14:51

ElRazur said:
What are the possible scenarios if the next Prime minister is a BNP member? (As in they actually won the election )

I think their election manifestos will be very hard to acheive if not almost impossible.

What do you guys think?

EDIT
Should the foreigners, immigrants and minority ethnics be worried?

Someone will probably end up cracking a pot shot at a Nationalist leader, I personally don't take the BNP serious just see them as a bunch of hitlerites

Cue all BNP supporters/members now going to shout me down, hell go for it am saying what I feel and think this is gd