Boris's intensive care nurse

Richdog said:
That's a false equivalence... average rent in London is similar to the average rent in Switzerland and food prices aren't bad at all when you know where to shop. Electronics are also way cheaper than the UK. Public transport is cheaper too. Eating out is the biggest difference over the UK and costs around double.

When the higher salaries and lower taxes are taken into account you are financially much better off living in Switzerland.
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where you shopping then? we did LIDL for fruit and veg was still expensive compared to UK like 2-3x as muich :p go migros and it like £5 for a cauliflour :rolleyes:
are you cheating and popping to germany? TUT TUT
Public transport in swiss is part nationalised so discounted + everyone owns a halbtax

cost of living in swiss is higher than london for sure at least in Zurich.

then you gotta pay for private medical care for you and your family etc, look the price of a car in switzerland bro... no wonder so many bikes in the cities (bicycles are expensive as hell compared to the UK too, you could probably make good money importing bikes from the UK...)

electronics cheaper? I'm not convinced but you get good sales and discounts sometimes

no way it's cheaper in switzerland, I wasn't even in zurich main, on the outskirts of a smaller city 20mins from zurich but in zurich kanton, 1800 euro a month for 2 bed apartment in teh cheap area where the "outlanders" lived ie mostly people from turkey, germany etc not swiss natives


are you one of these people living in switzerland saying it's cheap cos you do your food shop in germany? buy most of your stuff on amazon.DE ? and other non swiss sites cmon bruh :D thats blatant cheating konami code stuff

mcdonalds worker vs UK NHS who wins?
McDonalds workers in Switzerland are covered by the same collective bargaining agreement that governs other workers in the hospitality business, and an otherwise unqualified full-time worker will be paid Fr3400-4000/month before tax.
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Richdog said:
That's a false equivalence... average rent in London is similar to the average rent in Switzerland and food prices aren't bad at all when you know where to shop. Electronics are also way cheaper than the UK. Public transport is cheaper too. Eating out is the biggest difference over the UK and costs around double.

When the higher salaries and lower taxes are taken into account you are financially much better off living in Switzerland.
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That's irrelevant. I said UK. Not London. 90% of the UK population don't live in London. I know that might be a shock to those in London, but it's the truth.
 
Greebo said:
No i should have been more specific and said a nurse on minimum wage would earn £20K per annum so they deserve a lot more than that.

Unskilled labourers working for my company in the North east get paid £29k now. Why anybody would want to become a nurse in this country is behind me and they have my respect and admiration.

Honestly, unless you are working really low hours per week, £25k is nothing nowadays. I mean working 40 hours per week stacking shelves at any supermarket gets you £20k per annum. Our office staff doing basic admin are all on £25k.
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I think I need to change job lol.
 
Martini1991 said:
I think I need to change job lol.
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Maybe you do. Its getting ridiculous to recruit staff. We gave everybody between 5% and 10% payrises this year and people still leave for more money elsewhere. Had a QS come in a Maserati for interview and he wanted £100k as a package.
 
arknor said:
where you shopping then? we did LIDL for fruit and veg was still expensive compared to UK like 2-3x as muich :p go migros and it like £5 for a cauliflour :rolleyes:
are you cheating and popping to germany? TUT TUT
Public transport in swiss is part nationalised so discounted + everyone owns a halbtax

cost of living in swiss is higher than london for sure at least in Zurich.

then you gotta pay for private medical care for you and your family etc, look the price of a car in switzerland bro... no wonder so many bikes in the cities (bicycles are expensive as hell compared to the UK too, you could probably make good money importing bikes from the UK...)

electronics cheaper? I'm not convinced but you get good sales and discounts sometimes

no way it's cheaper in switzerland, I wasn't even in zurich main, on the outskirts of a smaller city 20mins from zurich but in zurich kanton, 1800 euro a month for 2 bed apartment in teh cheap area where the "outlanders" lived ie mostly people from turkey, germany etc not swiss natives


are you one of these people living in switzerland saying it's cheap cos you do your food shop in germany? buy most of your stuff on amazon.DE ? and other non swiss sites cmon bruh :D thats blatant cheating konami code stuff

mcdonalds worker vs UK NHS who wins?
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Taking the mid-value of 3700CHF per month, with the standard 13 month swiss salary, living in Lausanane gives a net salary of 43600CHF, or £34,200GBP

If the Average nurse in the UK is getting £30,000, then their net is about £24K. Switzerland is more expensive, but not that much more unless you compare extremes

You would be financially better off working in McDonalds in Switzerland than an NHS nurse in the UK, especially if you were a Nurse in London.


The problem with the UK is there is massive income inequality. Those at the bottom get absolutely screwed.


As for my personal experience of Swiss living costs, I think the reputation is not strictly valid. While somethings are eye wateringly expensive, and for no reasons other than being in Switzerland, most things are actually pretty reasonable when compared to other developed countries. For example, I actually find the COOP prices very reasonable compared to buying in the US. Sure the prices are higher than Walmart, but if you actually want to buy edible food from a US supermarket then you end up at Trader Joes and such like, paying much mroe for equivalent quality than Coop. The food is much higher quality, and is much more liekly to be local. Meat for example is extortionate, but the quality is veyr high and Switzerland has far higher animal welfare requirements, so to me it is a price worth paying.

The UK has gone down a path of making supermarket food as cheap as possible, damaging UK farming, preferring cheap imports. Even if you go to Germany you will find your weekly supermarket trip costs a lot more than in the UK.


In general, all my utilities and monthly bills are much cheaper than when I was in the US. House pricing is very high, but it is actually much cheaper than anywhere in the US with similar salaries, and the house quality is again much higher.

I have several freinds that have moved form London to Geneva/Zurich/Lausanne, and they all remark how much cheaper it is here, and a much better quality of life
 
amigafan2003 said:
Is he?

I'm seeing loads of unskilled labourer roles advertised round here at £110 - £140 a day (28k to 36k equivalent).
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Yup. We'll pick up unskilled for about 21k here. I can get a time-served tradesman for 26k. 29 will get me a senior tradesman.
 
Dis86 said:
Yup. We'll pick up unskilled for about 21k here. I can get a time-served tradesman for 26k. 29 will get me a senior tradesman.
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Well lucky you then.:rolleyes: Labourers are on £29k, tradesmen on £35k and a senior tradesman are on £40k plus van.

My mate is a senior tradesman and just moved jobs. i tried to get him to come and work for us but he said we didnt pay enough! Where he went to they offered him £50k plus a van.

Guess you just pay scummy wages or you are in part of Northern England that is still living in the old days.

We cant even get a joiner for under £45k per annum now.
 
arknor said:
where you shopping then? we did LIDL for fruit and veg was still expensive compared to UK like 2-3x as muich :p go migros and it like £5 for a cauliflour :rolleyes:
are you cheating and popping to germany? TUT TUT
Public transport in swiss is part nationalised so discounted + everyone owns a halbtax

cost of living in swiss is higher than london for sure at least in Zurich.

then you gotta pay for private medical care for you and your family etc, look the price of a car in switzerland bro... no wonder so many bikes in the cities (bicycles are expensive as hell compared to the UK too, you could probably make good money importing bikes from the UK...)

electronics cheaper? I'm not convinced but you get good sales and discounts sometimes

no way it's cheaper in switzerland, I wasn't even in zurich main, on the outskirts of a smaller city 20mins from zurich but in zurich kanton, 1800 euro a month for 2 bed apartment in teh cheap area where the "outlanders" lived ie mostly people from turkey, germany etc not swiss natives

are you one of these people living in switzerland saying it's cheap cos you do your food shop in germany? buy most of your stuff on amazon.DE ? and other non swiss sites cmon bruh :D thats blatant cheating konami code stuff

mcdonalds worker vs UK NHS who wins?
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Oh man, your post was hard to read, not only because it was written like someone who learnt English as a third language, but just because it contained so much... guff. :D

First, I didn't say Switzerland was "cheaper" for everything than the UK, although some things are of course cheaper, my point was that you are better off when taking everything into consideration. Factoring in you get 'on average' at least double the salary that you would get for doing the same job in the UK, and that you pay just over half the amount in taxes, most people are significantly better off in Switzerland than London because the overall living costs and outgoings are nowhere near 2x higher.

I don't do any food shopping in Germany and yes... in addition to public transport being comparatively cheap I have a car too which doesn't cost me much to run. The increased costs of some things in Switzerland are not enough to offset the overall benefits and as a result the quality of life is very high.

A worker in Lidl in Switzerland earns £3500 per month and £44500 per year (before tax)... for stacking shelves and working as the cashier. Just imagine what better quality of life that affords you, even at the low end, vs stacking in shelves in Lidl the UK, which nets you around 3x less at around £13000 per year. You do the maths.
 
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Grad managers in LIDL UK get 40 odd grand and a company car.

Hurr durr only get a degree that will get you a job.
 
According to websites cost of living is about 75% more in Switzerland vs UK. People should consider this before shouting numbers IMO.
 
dLockers said:
Grad managers in LIDL UK get 40 odd grand and a company car.

Hurr durr only get a degree that will get you a job.
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Knowing one, he pointed out that the weeks are typically 60 hours and very very target driven. They will get rid of you sharpish if you don't meet them.
He lasted 2 years.
 
Greebo said:
Well lucky you then.:rolleyes: Labourers are on £29k, tradesmen on £35k and a senior tradesman are on £40k plus van.

My mate is a senior tradesman and just moved jobs. i tried to get him to come and work for us but he said we didnt pay enough! Where he went to they offered him £50k plus a van.

Guess you just pay scummy wages or you are in part of Northern England that is still living in the old days.

We cant even get a joiner for under £45k per annum now.
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I guess newcastle, the largest city in the NE must be in the old days ey? And if we paid scummy wages people wouldn't join us and would leave. Our staff turnover is incredibly low.
 
200sols said:
According to websites cost of living is about 75% more in Switzerland vs UK. People should consider this before shouting numbers IMO.
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I live there since many years... the numbers you see on websites represent the higher end of all of the figures and also usually take into account families etc.

I am extremely knowledgeable on UK vs Swiss living costs and when I say you are generally better off here I really mean it. There's a reason it scores WAY higher than the UK in the quality of life index.
 
Dis86 said:
Knowing one, he pointed out that the weeks are typically 60 hours and very very target driven. They will get rid of you sharpish if you don't meet them.
He lasted 2 years.
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Too right. It's a demanding job.
 
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