Boris's intensive care nurse

[Slam62]

It's a more highly qualified job.

If you think it's that cushty, go and retrain as a nurse and move to London.

Couldn't handle the bed pans, bad enough picking up dog poo

 

[chrcoluk]

It is interesting to learn that its popular opinion in here that 33-52k is not a high salary. I wonder what sort of salary the average is in the OCUK community, maybe lots of upper management or in highly skilled jobs. There is an argument to boosting to 44k to catch up with Germany, but if she was on 52k, and she left for salary reasons, its hard to find sympathy.

This doesnt mean I think nursing is easy or I am saying its an easy job, but its a fact of life many people work hard for much less than the numbers been banded about, I think opinion on this is largely going to be affected by the sort of life you are used to living and what kind of income bracket you are in.

Average nurse salary in UK is 33k, which is at odds with the statement most are band 5.

 

[touch]

Average nurse salary in UK is 33k, which is at odds with the statement most are band 5.

No it's not.
There will be more nurses earning below average and a smaller number of higher ranked supervisors/team leader/etc earning more bringing the average up.

 

[StriderX]

It is interesting to learn that its popular opinion in here that 33-52k is not a high salary. I wonder what sort of salary the average is in the OCUK community, maybe lots of upper management or in highly skilled jobs. There is an argument to boosting to 44k to catch up with Germany, but if she was on 52k, and she left for salary reasons, its hard to find sympathy.

This doesnt mean I think nursing is easy or I am saying its an easy job, but its a fact of life many people work hard for much less than the numbers been banded about, I think opinion on this is largely going to be affected by the sort of life you are used to living and what kind of income bracket you are in.

Average nurse salary in UK is 33k, which is at odds with the statement most are band 5.

It's almost certainly the behaviour of patients that pushes most people out, some folks in this country seem to be physically unable to be decent or polite to public servants doing their jobs.

 

[chrcoluk]

It's almost certainly the behaviour of patients that pushes most people out, some folks in this country seem to be physically unable to be decent or polite to public servants doing their jobs.

I can understand that, and I know its not easy, when I had carers they were telling me how unreasonable people can be and were pleasantly surprised how undemanding I was.

 

[ubersonic]

If you'd of had Corbyn as PM be wouldn't have been in favour of locking down at all and the NHS would have collapsed in that scenario with many more deaths.

I know the Corbyn = evil narrative is a strong one, but there's no sane way anyone could seriously argue having him as PM for the pandemic would have been worse than Boris. The economy would probably have gone up the wall, but the pandemic response would have been much better and a LOT less people would have died. It's not even a Corbyn debate at this point, Boris killed 10,000-20,000 extra people by ignoring the medical/scientific experts and doing what Cummings suggested, there's zero chance any PM of the last 30 years would have screwed up anywhere near as badly as he did, even Thatcher would have been a significant improvement on Boris. Hell the only thing he actually got right was to let the NHS handle vaccination, and that's only because blaming his failed track and trace program on us had worked so well for him lol.

Lol, she was on 52k apparently poor thing.

That's untrue.

Ward Sister is a band 6 role, that's £31,365 - £37,890 (before tax/pension deductions) depending on experience.

 

[GreatAuk]

How much money she made a year is probably not the same thing as 'salary' - if she did some extra shifts with an agency or worked nights for a bit etc then that could well add up to a fair bit more than the nominal salary.

Also, had to lol at the idea in the OP she'd been trained for free by the NHS and was now galavanting off with OUR NHS TRAINING . This being the same NHS that sends literal expeditions to third world countries to recruit their pre-trained nurses (and also doesn't train people for free).

 

[Richdog]

To put that in perspective ... the cost of living in Switzerland is about 70% higher than the UK.

That's a false equivalence... average rent in London is similar to the average rent in Switzerland and food prices aren't bad at all when you know where to shop. Electronics are also way cheaper than the UK. Public transport is cheaper too. Eating out is the biggest difference over the UK and costs around double.

When the higher salaries and lower taxes are taken into account you are financially much better off living in Switzerland.

 

[Greebo]

What is the right amount?

When I read the first story this year about nurses been underpaid, i checked what they get paid and expected it to be under 20k somewhere. But their salaries are actually quite high now compared to historical levels. The problem with just giving everyone what they want is then you have to make cuts elsewhere to pay for it, so give all nurses 5k a year pay rise but at the same time close 5% of wards, and get rid of all porters to pay for it.

This is the mistake Labour made, they poured money into the NHS but most of it went on improving contracts, now we have doctors been paid £100+ an hour to cover a&e, GP's who wont work out of hours.

If the NHS is under capacity which it is hugely, the capacity problems has to be a priority over increasing salaries.

I think there should be a temporary danger money element when treating covid patients though.

You do realise 20k is about minimum wage now so you expected nurses to be paid below minimum wage and less than shelf stackers at Tescos???????

 

[Slam62]

How much money she made a year is probably not the same thing as 'salary' - if she did some extra shifts with an agency or worked nights for a bit etc then that could well add up to a fair bit more than the nominal salary.

Also, had to lol at the idea in the OP she'd been trained for free by the NHS and was now galavanting off with OUR NHS TRAINING . This being the same NHS that sends literal expeditions to third world countries to recruit their pre-trained nurses (and also doesn't train people for free).

If you research the thread you will find she probably was trained for free.
Now ask yourself another uncomfortable question for the modern lefty, why do you think foreign nurses come here? Because of the weather?

However I will say that to get into nursing in the UK now seems incredibly difficult and expensive. I'm not sure why any of them do but I'm very glad of it.

As a modern lefty you completely missed the point that she was a very unfortunate example to pick. Yes the 1% pay rise is derisory, but to this particular individual it was neither here nor there what ever she says for channel 4.

I would add that when she goes to Jamaica if she was working for the public health service she would likely lament the conditions and hours and lack of reward. However as she is going to work for a presumably extremely well funded and profitable private health care facility only treating those who can pay she won't care.

 

[Greebo]

Yeah well the average London salary is 38k so a fair bit above that. But anyhow she's free to leave and get a highly paid job in the sunshine, I don't blame her if she is motivated that much by money.
As many people have said nurses feel undervalued and are probably leaving the profession but then a lot of people feel undervalued.

Lol, she was on 52k apparently poor thing.

And the majority of tube drivers in London get paid between £70k and £80k per annum.......your point?

 

[Slam62]

I know the Corbyn = evil narrative is a strong one, but there's no sane way anyone could seriously argue having him as PM for the pandemic would have been worse than Boris. The economy would probably have gone up the wall, but the pandemic response would have been much better and a LOT less people would have died. It's not even a Corbyn debate at this point, Boris killed 10,000-20,000 extra people by ignoring the medical/scientific experts and doing what Cummings suggested, there's zero chance any PM of the last 30 years would have screwed up anywhere near as badly as he did, even Thatcher would have been a significant improvement on Boris. Hell the only thing he actually got right was to let the NHS handle vaccination, and that's only because blaming his failed track and trace program on us had worked so well for him lol.



That's untrue.

Ward Sister is a band 6 role, that's £31,365 - £37,890 (before tax/pension deductions) depending on experience.

Well someone on twitter said so, who am I to question a random person on the Internet... oh wait...

Actually here some data that looks credible ish

https://uk.talent.com/salary?job=itu+icu+nurse

But wait here's another link that indicates they are very poorly paid.

https://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Job=Nurse,_Intensive_Care_Unit_(ICU)/Salary

 

[shorttricky]

Lol, she was on 52k apparently poor thing.

If her annual salary is 52k then she's a top of band (7+ years experience) ICU nurse, with thousands of hours of additional training in one or more critical care specialisations. If she earned 52k in the last year, then she's probably flogged her guts out doing overtime during a global pandemic. I'm sure she'll appreciate your gratitude either way though

Average nurse salary in UK is 33k, which is at odds with the statement most are band 5.

Band 5 starts at 24k and caps at 30k after 6 years. Band 6 (technically also nurses, but at a much lower number than the amount of band 5s) starts at 31k and caps at 37k after 6 years. Add in extra adjustments for London and 33k average sounds about right.

I don't know if that includes band 4s - they're technically nursing associates and go from 21k-24k. It's a new-ish role, so maybe wouldn't have an impact on the average either way.

 

[Slam62]

If her annual salary is 52k then she's a top of band (7+ years experience) ICU nurse, with thousands of hours of additional training in one or more critical care specialisations. If she earned 52k in the last year, then she's probably flogged her guts out doing overtime during a global pandemic. I'm sure she'll appreciate your gratitude either way though



Band 5 starts at 24k and caps at 30k after 6 years. Band 6 (technically also nurses, but at a much lower number than the amount of band 5s) starts at 31k and caps at 37k after 6 years. Add in extra adjustments for London and 33k average sounds about right.

I don't know if that includes band 4s - they're technically nursing associates and go from 21k-24k. It's a new-ish role, so maybe wouldn't have an impact on the average either way.

Yeah after a lot of digging, reckon she would be lucky to break 40k, she may have got unsociable hours as well though, but still, not a huge amount.

 

[Mr Badger]

Saw the thread title and assumed the story was that Boris had got her pregnant.

Am disappoint now.

 

[ubersonic]

Well someone on twitter said so, who am I to question a random person on the Internet...

No problem, but you really shouldn't just take random things you find on twitter as gospel.

In fairness though I did have a big advantage fact checking it as it prob took less than 30 seconds to log into ESR, look up what band a ward sister is, and look up band 6 pay scales.

*EDIT*

Actually here some data that looks credible ish

It isn't, I gave you the correct figures above, direct from payroll.

 

[Martini1991]

You do realise 20k is about minimum wage now so you expected nurses to be paid below minimum wage and less than shelf stackers at Tescos???????

Minimum wage isn't 20K.
It's less than 17.5 for 37.5 hours a week.

Minimum wage earners would love to be on 20K.

 

[Greebo]

Minimum wage isn't 20K.
It's less than 17.5 for 37.5 hours a week.

Minimum wage earners would love to be on 20K.

You think nurses only work 37.5 hrs per week????? They only have to work 41 hours per week on minimum wage to get £20k.

The fact that some people on here expect nurses get paid under £20k and £25k is a good wage surprises me.

My point is that its barely above minimum wage for somebody that has people's lives in their hands.

 

[Martini1991]

You think nurses only work 37.5 hrs per week????? They only have to work 41 hours per week on minimum wage to get £20k.

The fact that some people on here expect nurses get paid under £20k and £25k is a good wage surprises me.

My point is that its barely above minimum wage for somebody that has people's lives in their hands.

None of this has to do with the fact that 20K isn't minimum wage.

Now, on the question of whether I think nurses should get paid more than 20K full time? (I've no idea what full time is for a nurse albeit, but they certainly want a much higher hourly rate than minimum)

Although, would I consider 25K a good wage? On my hours I'd love to be on 25K in the area I live in, as that would be considered to be a good wage.

 

[Greebo]

None of this has to do with the fact that 20K isn't minimum wage.

Now, on the question of whether I think nurses should get paid more than 20K full time? (I've no idea what full time is for a nurse albeit, but they certainly want a much higher hourly rate than minimum)

Although, would I consider 25K a good wage? On my hours I'd love to be on 25K in the area I live in, as that would be considered to be a good wage.

No i should have been more specific and said a nurse on minimum wage would earn £20K per annum so they deserve a lot more than that.

Unskilled labourers working for my company in the North east get paid £29k now. Why anybody would want to become a nurse in this country is behind me and they have my respect and admiration.

Honestly, unless you are working really low hours per week, £25k is nothing nowadays. I mean working 40 hours per week stacking shelves at any supermarket gets you £20k per annum. Our office staff doing basic admin are all on £25k.