Bought an old BMW M3, filled with regret...
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The Eventuri is newer in design and engineering and costs 3-4x less, they both aim to do the same thing, provide better airflow and a better induction noise. You don't need to run a MAP sensor set-up or go Alpha-N with the Eventuri, it is plug and play.
The CSL and CSL style boxes (GSR, for example) are louder and thus sound nicer, but not 3-4x the cost nicer.
The Eventuri is uninstalled and the car is back to stock in 30~ minutes.
If the CSL one was 1-2x the cost then it would be What I'd be happy to pay extra for to be honest. But not more than that!
The CSL and CSL style boxes (GSR, for example) are louder and thus sound nicer, but not 3-4x the cost nicer.
The Eventuri is uninstalled and the car is back to stock in 30~ minutes.
If the CSL one was 1-2x the cost then it would be What I'd be happy to pay extra for to be honest. But not more than that!
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Its a way to get a more 'CSL' noise, but more importantly for me at least, hopefully improved low down throttle response as mines a daily and it can be a pain in traffic low speeds. It also costs a hell of a lot less then the CSL style boxes + remaps + other stuff.
There is good news though for Eventuri owners. Evolve are working on an upgrade addon that gives the big CSL airbox sound and look and works in conjunction with the Eventuri. It will still be plug and play too 
See this post here: http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1698471&postcount=22
See this post here: http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1698471&postcount=22
There is good news though for Eventuri owners. Evolve are working on an upgrade addon that gives the big CSL airbox sound and look and works in conjunction with the Eventuri. It will still be plug and play too
See this post here: http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1698471&postcount=22
There post is 7 months old so it's either close or not happening.
If you want CSL noise you need a CSL air box and it sounds vastly better but to do it right cost money as you need box, map sensor, csl bumper and Ecu/map so easily £1500-£2000 but for me worth every penny for that sound track.
The CSL airbox alone is £1500+ though!
Unless you were one of the lucky few who grabbed one when the prices were genuinely low a long while back and worth grabbing. They rocketed up sadly.
I'll ask Evolve about the addon upgrade when I visit them next month for the remap.
Unless you were one of the lucky few who grabbed one when the prices were genuinely low a long while back and worth grabbing. They rocketed up sadly.
I'll ask Evolve about the addon upgrade when I visit them next month for the remap.
A genuine CSL air box is actually £4000
If your talking about the GSR box, then yes those are close to £1500 now, I got mine for £700.
As M3's are so damn common, my friend has a genuine CSL, I have the GSR and couple of other mates have got the Eventuri and a K&N typhoon thing and of course stock.
The CSL and GSR sound pretty identical, though I think the CSL genuine blips on downshifts a little louder. The Eventuri I feel makes the stock air box sound louder, rather than sounding like a CSL, it sounds good but it is not the CSL type sound, it is different. The K&N sounds terrible it is like a whistle type noise and boy racer induction sound, kills the S54 soundtrack.
I do think however the Eventuri maybe has better low/mid range drivability, but the CSL air box equipped cars pull much better past 6000rpm no doubt due to air volume into the air box and the fact the CSL's have the cold air ram vent.
That's the main reason why I have got it to try, sadly my car spends most of its time below 6000 rpm.
Yup that's also what I' keep on seeing mentioned about the Eventuri, better low/mid range performance, and with that the induction noise from 2-5k. The CSL and CSL style boxes peak better at top end rpms. Evolve also said something along those lines in another thread.
I wanted the nicer induction sound mostly, for that I think 600 quid was worth it, no faff required. Any other gains are a bonus! I'll get the remap done, but not immediately as I want to see how the car feels and sounds with just the Eventuri. The remap includes before/after dyno runs so will be able to see what just the Eventuri gained over stock (which is 338HP from the Powerstation run back in early last year) and then with the remap.
I wanted the nicer induction sound mostly, for that I think 600 quid was worth it, no faff required. Any other gains are a bonus! I'll get the remap done, but not immediately as I want to see how the car feels and sounds with just the Eventuri. The remap includes before/after dyno runs so will be able to see what just the Eventuri gained over stock (which is 338HP from the Powerstation run back in early last year) and then with the remap.
Nearly all gains will come from a remap, I did power station same day on stock intake with panel filter with stock map and then flashed to the Evolve map on same day and re-ran, so same dyno, same operator, same day, only difference was the map.
Stock map: 336BHP.
Evolve map: 367BHP.
I drove to Powerstation, ran the car, 336BHP. Parked up, flashed the car, re-ran and had 367BHP. All the gains came after 6000rpm the graph looked no different below 6000rpm, even though the car felt better after the map below 6000rpm and really felt much stronger after 6000rpm, it was clearly all placebo below 6000 but the gains after 6000rpm were real and could be felt.
With CSL air box, de-cats, map sensor and custom map car has made between 384-392BHP at Powerstation, CSL air box really helps with top-end.
Hmm so if the Eventuri helps more in the low/mid end vs the CSL box, then the map should surely show noticeable gains there too, though the top end gains will be less than the CSL box as the expected trade-off?
Also I read the Evolve remap for the Eventuri is a bit different to the one for the CSL style boxes, is that correct?
Seems reasonable either way!
Also I read the Evolve remap for the Eventuri is a bit different to the one for the CSL style boxes, is that correct?
Seems reasonable either way!
The Karbonius CSL airbox is pretty much the best replica CSL airbox available, made from the same die as the OEM and can be had new for around £1300-1400. I do hope Eventuri haven't given up on mating the Eventuri to the CSL airbox.
Cars past its Mot, they are keeping it over night to replace the passenger side window motor and regulator so I should have it back around Lunch time tomorrow, so fingers crossed if the weathers nice i will fit the shiny once I get back to work.
I asked the guys at the dealership about the warranty issue with the part and they basically said if the non oem part has not caused the issue you are fine as a rule of thumb so happy with that.
I asked the guys at the dealership about the warranty issue with the part and they basically said if the non oem part has not caused the issue you are fine as a rule of thumb so happy with that.
The best advice I can give you is to SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH and stop announcing it to everyone at BMW/Mondial. When your engine eats itself mr big time service manager at BMW main dealer or the warranty company will simply claim that this is the reason why your engine died, and with no evidence for the contrary, you could needlessly find yourself in a tight situation.
You're fitting a modification that can be reverted to standard in 25 minutes, not a full supercharger kit. If there is anything that breaks on the car, just put it back to standard and avoid the potential headache of giving BMW an excuse to refuse a warranty claim.
That's what I plan to do anyway, I just asked out of curiosity anyway just so I know. Thats why I wanted the service/mot and warranty work done this week so I can fit the part after and hopefully not have to worry about it until my next service.
And here it is installed.
Easy to do other then removing the duct behind the front grill which broke into 1000 pieces when I tried to remove it. So will need to get a new one of them at some point I guess. Would say it took me 30 mins, 10 of that was fighting that duct.
Sounds amazing though, lovely noise in the cabin, just want to try it with the roof down now. Will get a video at some point if I go out over the weekend in it.
Easy to do other then removing the duct behind the front grill which broke into 1000 pieces when I tried to remove it. So will need to get a new one of them at some point I guess. Would say it took me 30 mins, 10 of that was fighting that duct.
Sounds amazing though, lovely noise in the cabin, just want to try it with the roof down now. Will get a video at some point if I go out over the weekend in it.
Glad to see its finally in. It really does make you wonder why BMW didn't exploit the wonderful sound the S54 could make, even a little bit, on the regular M3/Z4M. The engine makes hardly any sound with the standard airbox, but loads from the exhaust. The Eventuri balances that out impeccably, giving a deep, throaty burble from 2krpm-5krpm, and then the higher pitched rasp from 5krpm-8krpm.