Boy who stabbed teenager caught burgling his mother's house is charged with murder

Dont agree with that one bit mate. And having a degree in forensic science i've done a little reading on the subject.

If someone comes into your house tonight and theoretically tried to stab you, are you going to block the blow with a shield made of "laws"?

In a perfect world your ideals would be just that but in the real world there are so many factors that could have influenced his decision to stab the intruders that its not even worth arguing whether it was warranted or not without knowing the relevant facts.

I am talking about the real world, the statistics are there for you to see. Go look at them, that's not student theory that's fact. This is murder, which means it has been looked over by forensics and all the other people who do the real jobs and determined not to be self defence. You studied it right, you know the difference between murder, manslaughter and self defence?

It is in uk law.

You missed out the part where I said in nearly any context. By law you are allowed to defend yourself with lethal force if you are being threatened with your life. This, however, is a murder case.
 
o god, i'm in hysterics

article-1223342-06FAE2BD000005DC-857_468x359.jpg
 
best to know all facts before commenting... i just hope this gets a lot of media coverage so to deter youngsters from burglary.

How is it going to deter youngsters from burglary when this persecution against home owners will inevitably lead to a climate of fear against defending oneself and one's family?
 
How is it going to deter youngsters from burglary when this persecution against home owners will inevitably lead to a climate of fear against defending oneself and one's family?

well the way i see it is when defending my family i wont be thinking about prosecution that would be the last thing on my mind and having youngsters see what can happen to them if they go down that road is a good thing.


I guess animal instinct comes to mind?
 
I'm going to go as far as saying it is widely understood around the world that anyone knowingly entering someone else's property without invitation with sole intent to steal, kidnap or vandalize must be aware of the consequences, including loosing life.

There is no burglary situation where a person awaken or walking in on burglars should be expected to have mental ability and character strength to interview uninvited guests as to their intentions.
- "Hello good gentlemen, I'm the proprietor of this fine household, how may I be of service"
- "Good morning sire, we are visiting your fine mansion in search of milk and fresh produce"
- "Please take the apples from kitchen table and leave immediately, or I will have no choice but to conclude this visit caused me a lot of upset" .
It just never plays out this way. There is no opportunity for chat, or clarification. Whatever their intentions were, the moment they step into your house, you, the owner of the house, have full right to presume THE WORST.
You have a right to presume this might end in the worst possible scenario.
These people might be there to do harm to you, your family, unless the burglars have opportunity to make it absolutely clear they just want to sit down for tea, cookies and a bit of Friends reruns on E4, for all you know they are there to go Charles Manson crew on your arse. And if a life is lost, it's not because of your intent to kill someone that night, but because stupidity of a 14 year old and his 19 year old buddy. I don't care what the law says. Bad law is no law at all.
They wouldn't let them continue if they were robbing bank, and by simple extension, anyone incapacitated permanently while burgling your property should be always treated as an accident - as self defence.
 
Last edited:
I am talking about the real world, the statistics are there for you to see. Go look at them, that's not student theory that's fact. This is murder, which means it has been looked over by forensics and all the other people who do the real jobs and determined not to be self defence. You studied it right, you know the difference between murder, manslaughter and self defence?

No, i see your point with regard to this case but i'm talking from a general standpoint on the matter. Slightly crossed wires perhaps as i was under the impression that you are not condoning killing (intentionally or otherwise) a burgular under any circimstance.

Anyway has the guy been on trial yet? He may well be charged with murder but not found guilty given the circumstances presented in court.
 
Last edited:
easy dont want to run the risk of being attacked and killed whilst robbing someones house - then dont go robbing!

they little buggers didnt care what they were doing, who they were doing it to did they for all they know could be a old person n they may give them a heart attack.

they brought it upon them selfs imho.

not saying i belive its a a suitable punishment by any means, but they knew what they were doing when bracking into the house
 
well the way i see it is when defending my family i wont be thinking about prosecution that would be the last thing on my mind and having youngsters see what can happen to them if they go down that road is a good thing.


I guess animal instinct comes to mind?

Which is why home owner's actions after the fact should not be micro-analysed and judged in a cold, logical context by the CPS. IMO the state should show some common sense and compassion in these sort of cases.
 
Which is why home owner's actions after the fact should not be micro-analysed and judged in a cold, logical context by the CPS. IMO the state should show some common sense and compassion in these sort of cases.

You think they don't? Give over. How often does someone in these circumstances actually get charged with anything?
 
It is a bit excessive to kill someone over a burglary, unless of course they had weapons and he was acting in self defense, which doesn't seem to be the case.

Surely they wave any rights they have when they decide to break into someones home? Should he have nicely asked them to leave or just let them carry on perhaps?
 
Surely they wave any rights they have when they decide to break into someones home? Should he have nicely asked them to leave or just let them carry on perhaps?

You can't really waive to right to not be killed, regardless of what you're doing.
 
Says it cut vital arteries in his chest, which is protected by your ribcage, sounds like a definite stabbing rather than a slashing, it wouldn't matter how much meat you had on you, that could kill anyone.

Self defence is fine, beating the **** out of them is even ok much of the time. But ending someones life is a massive decision, I can't believe that some of you think that all burglers deserve to be shot! As far as crimes go, there are far worse.

I wonder if everyones opinions would be different if it was the 14 year old that was killed?

A slash between the ribs? As for the age imo it doesn't make a difference, don't burgle other peoples homes.
 
He was 14,

14 can = mouthy, stupid, impulsive, no respect, risk taking-(imortal view of teens), preoccupied with status-(commit crime to 'big up' to social circle).

Not one of the above, any combination of the above or all of the above require he should be killed.

Why do people seem to have sharp things to hand so much these days, break in my house im going to put my fist in your face, set the dog on you, hit you with something heavy, 999 times out of a 1000 your going to regret it and be sore.

Unless the guy took the knife off the burglar mid fight and it was an accident or hit him with a breakable which cut him deep and it was an accident its going to be a tough call on how things are going to turn out.
 
No one knows what the intent of someone breaking into their home is, they shouldnt of been in there that is all. The law is stupid everyone should have a right to defend their property maybe more burglars will think twice before breaking into homes.
 
Interesting that you labeled the 23 year old as a 'boy' but the 17 year old as a teenager :o :o

As has already been said, needs more details.
 
Back
Top Bottom