Brazilian Grand Prix 2010, Interlagos Circuit - Race 18/19

So Hamilton needs Alfonso to not score anything and Webber to come 4th or lower to win.

Unlikely but still possible. I bet he's kicking himself about the two recent DNFs. Not much he could do about the flat tyre earlier on in the season.

I missed the first half of the race, how did Alonso leapfrog Hamilton?
 
Panzerbjorn said:
So Hamilton needs Alfonso to not score anything and Webber to come 4th or lower to win.

Unlikely but still possible. I bet he's kicking himself about the two recent DNFs. Not much he could do about the flat tyre earlier on in the season.

I missed the first half of the race, how did Alonso leapfrog Hamilton?
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Hamilton slid wide at turn 4, gifting the place to Alonso, almost a carbon copy of letting Alonso through at Korea.
 
deko said:
Hamilton slid wide at turn 4, gifting the place to Alonso, almost a carbon copy of letting Alonso through at Korea.
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I liked that actually, You noticed Alonso jinked off the driving line, and then back onto it, dummying Hamilton, I think this threw Hamilton off a bit :D
I think Hamilton prolly thought Alonso was trying one on the inside so decided to outbrake him or something.


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Hadn't noticed that before, Alonso just put enough pressure on Hamilton and forced him into making a mistake, very nice bit of driving. I think that even if Hamilton hadn't went wide there, it was inevitable that Alonso would have overtaken him anyway, he was much faster.

Yes panzer, i agree. If hamilton hadn't had non-scores in Monza and Singapore he would be very much in contention.

If we assume that Hamilton would have finished in the position he crashed out of in the 2 races, in Monza he would have finished 4th, in Singapore 5th. Obviously anything could have happened, if in Monza he had gotten past Massa, he could have breezed past Button, maybe even Alonso. Anyway, he would have picked up 12 points for 4th, 10 points for 5th and would now be just 2 points behind Alonso going to Abu Dhabi. He has cost himself this title. The puncture at Barca and the unknown problem at Hungary obviously didn't help either, though.

Could say the same for Vettel aswell, even discounting the technical glitches, if he hadn't had the Spa destruction derby or the crashing into Webber at Turkey, he would be in a very good position.
 
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Panzerbjorn said:
Thanks for the speedy replies guys <3 OcUK.

Another silly mistake costing him points. He's basically cost himself the championship this season.
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i dont think he would have kept alonso behind him much longer anyway, the ferrari was easily faster than hamilton and would have had him on the main straight eventually.

hamilton even mentioned that he thought the f duct wasnt working because he was struggling to pass even the back markers on the straight, thought it turned out he was fastest down there.
 
nice to see mercedes using team orders again..

out of the 5 laps before schumachers pit rosberg was only faster on 1.

what a joke schumacher needed 1-2 laps to clear sutil... smells of suzuka all over again
 
utajoker said:
i dont think he would have kept alonso behind him much longer anyway, the ferrari was easily faster than hamilton and would have had him on the main straight eventually.
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Couldn't agree more, in the last half a dozen races the McLaren simply hasn't been as good as the Ferrari, Alonso would've probably qualified in 3rd or better if it wasn't for the changeable conditions.
 
Red Bull are hoping that Vettel qualifies 1st and Webber 2nd (as usual) and that it stays like that during the race, as long as they have 1 and 2 it doesn't matter where Alonso is because they hold all the cards. Vettel will be leading the race and Red Bull/Helmut Marko will be praying for Alonso to either retire or finish 5th* or lower so that they don't have to make the switch with Webber.

* If I've done the research right if Vettel wins and Alonso finishes 5th both drivers will have 156pts, they will each have an equal number of 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finishes but Vettel wins on having more 4th place finishes. If Webber finishes 2nd giving him 156pts also he loses out to both drivers on the number of straight wins.

If Alonso is 3rd or 4th during the race then Red Bull have no choice but to make the switch and let Webber take the title, but due to the result today they need Vettel or someone else to finish in 2nd else Alonso is champion.

One potential spanner could be if Webber gets in front of Vettel and Alonso retires in which case they will probably detonate the explosives pre-planted in Webbers engine. :p
 
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Cavallino said:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88061
Absolute tosh.
Theyre on the cusp of getting the double and they want us to believe they havent set their gameplan?
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Of course it is total garbage, but it's the obvious thing to do, if they come out and blatantly say "We will tell Vettel to move over", then they are opening themselves up for a 100 grand fine. Obviously they have to say that it's the 'drivers decision'.
 
I wonder why McLaren haven't been able to keep pace in the later half of the season, Button especially. They can blame the 'flexi-wing' all they want but it doesn't really excuse their lack of progress...

Genuinely interested. It doesn't seem like their investment in the F-duct really paid off. Even on the circuits where they were supposed to have a massive advantage the Red Bulls haven't really suffered that much.
 
Panzerbjorn said:
I wonder why McLaren haven't been able to keep pace in the later half of the season, Button especially. They can blame the 'flexi-wing' all they want but it doesn't really excuse their lack of progress...

Genuinely interested. It doesn't seem like their investment in the F-duct really paid off. Even on the circuits where they were supposed to have a massive advantage the Red Bulls haven't really suffered that much.
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Yep the blown rear wing is easy and quite cheap to copy it seems. The blown diffuser and dodgy floors/front wing have been much more beneficial new tech for Red Bull.
 
mmj_uk said:
One potential spanner could be if Webber gets in front of Vettel and Alonso retires in which case they will probably detonate the explosives pre-planted in Webbers engine. :p
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At which point Button would accidentally spear Vettel going for an overtake(a mirror of Spa) and Hamilton would be free to cruise to victory.

By their actions today it's clear Red Bull want to keep both their guys in play as long as possible to maintain as many options as possible - after all if Alonso and Webber took each other out - Vettel would still be in play, had they but all their effort behind Mark it would have been easy for Alonso to win the title if Mark were delayed or taken out by Massa.

I think it's clear they're going to see how the race unfolds and if Vettel is in front of Webber and it's the only option to win the WDC they'll do a switch - but they wouldn't risk anything else.

Wouldn't surprise me to see a Toro Rosso start on Hards and run long and just happen to back Alonso up though :D
 
Something i've just noticed which will be interesting to keep an eye on in the last race:

6 - Williams - 69 points
7 - Force India - 68 points

I imagine a fair amount of money is involved for those two teams by claiming 6th? They'll all be going hell for leather no doubt as whilst the big boys are fighting for the drivers, those teams will be fighting tooth and nail for those crucial few points at the tail end of the points finishes.
 
Duke said:
Yep the blown rear wing is easy and quite cheap to copy it seems. The blown diffuser and dodgy floors/front wing have been much more beneficial new tech for Red Bull.
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Kind of on this note

Which of the top teams do people think will have a fast car beginning of next season? as typically fighting tooth and nail till the end of the season slows development for next season doesn't it? or does that only happen with big reg changes?
 
Catastrophe on the first corner at Abu Dhabi involving Alonso,webber and vettel. Hamilton wins, wins drivers championship.

Could happen! :p
 
Panzerbjorn said:
I wonder why McLaren haven't been able to keep pace in the later half of the season, Button especially. They can blame the 'flexi-wing' all they want but it doesn't really excuse their lack of progress...
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It seems like every update hasn't helped at all. Button was better today, faster than hamilton I'd wager but there was no sense in pushing after the stops because he wasn't going to pass him.

Button though has not got much at all from the updates.

The good thing for Hamilton next season is they will have the best chance next year because of Kers. No one can test as much as they used to and Mclaren had by far the best/most reliable Kers system.

I would love someone other than Vettel to take the title and then see his sulky face next year when the car is struggling with Kers.
 
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