Brazilian Grand Prix 2010, Interlagos Circuit - Race 18/19

who would you rather be in this situation?

webber, vettel, alonso or hamilton.

webber isnt as fast as vettel and is prob going to need vettel to move over.

vettel has the slimest chance of an actually championship

alonso has a much easier job without team politics etc but a slower car than the redbulls.

hamilton knows he has no chance so hopefully he can drive without the pressure and maybe something will happen.
 
Would want to be Alonso, every time. It's in his hands, he isn't relying on other people finishing in certain positions, he knows if he goes out and wins, he is world champion. Would much rather be in that position than Webber, having to rely on his team-mate or another driver to back Alonso down to 3rd.
 
I don't think 100/1 justifies how much needs to happen for him to win it to be honest. You generally get 4/1 on any driver from RBR/Ferrari/McLaren to retire, so that's 5x5x5 right there, that's 125/1 alone, without Hamilton's odds to win. Save your money :)

Lol.
 
Alonso's engine has to blow spectacularly surely?

How many times are we going to hear the same mantra regarding Alonso's engine expiring.

When will people realise that Ferrari are not a bunch of idiots and that they are intelligent people who will not risk an engine failure. If they feel an engine won't complete the race, they will choose a different engine. If they have no engines to choose from, they will take a grid drop and take a new engine.

To run a race with an engine on its last legs (which I think is what people on this forum keep believing), its lunacy to the highest degree. Ferrari/Alonso will not risk doing this.

As far as I'm concerned Alonso's engine has as much chance of expiring as any of the other front runners' engine going pop.

My feeling is that most people on this forum know that Alonso is "the daddy" and they want to see him prevented from winning the title. They know that Webber does not have the ability to do this and are therefore clinging onto this "engine failure" mantra, hoping that maybe...just maybe...Alonso will be struck by an engine related reliability problem.

My way of thinking is, "may the best man win" and I've been following F1 long enough to know that Webber is not "the best man".
 
How many times are we going to hear the same mantra regarding Alonso's engine expiring.

When will people realise that Ferrari are not a bunch of idiots and that they are intelligent people who will not risk an engine failure. If they feel an engine won't complete the race, they will choose a different engine. If they have no engines to choose from, they will take a grid drop and take a new engine.

To run a race with an engine on its last legs (which I think is what people on this forum keep believing), its lunacy to the highest degree. Ferrari/Alonso will not risk doing this.

As far as I'm concerned Alonso's engine has as much chance of expiring as any of the other front runners' engine going pop.

My feeling is that most people on this forum know that Alonso is "the daddy" and they want to see him prevented from winning the title. They know that Webber does not have the ability to do this and are therefore clinging onto this "engine failure" mantra, hoping that maybe...just maybe...Alonso will be struck by an engine related reliability problem.

My way of thinking is, "may the best man win" and I've been following F1 long enough to know that Webber is not "the best man".

I suppose you think Red Bull are a bunch of idiots for letting Vettel run an engine which blew up in Korea? It isn't an exact science, engines expire early, it happens, especially on engines which are well used.
 
Then Alonso finishes second, and wins, no matter if Webber wins the race :)

Ah damn didn't think of that. :p

They could get Vettel to run wide off the track slightly and rejoin behind Webber, then he's not allowed to re-overtake under the safety car?

Whatever happens I just hope it's a good action packed race and not another snorefest like Brazil.
 

Laughing at me for perfectly justifying something? Ok :)

You lot sit here and work out all the silly little permutations to get golden boy the title, it's not happening.

While we're at it, a spaceship could appear and magically abduct Alonso, Vettel and Webber, letting Hamilton through on the last corner to win, wouldn't that be amazing!11!1!!
 
who would you rather be in this situation?

Alonso without a doubt the odds speak for themselves, Webber would be favourite now if Red Bull had done the sensible thing in Brazil but Red Bull are clearly still trying to manufacture a Vettel title at his expense.
 
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I'd prefer to be Webber, and no idea why anyone would prefer to be Alonso, as good as the Ferrari is, sometimes, its not in the same ballpark as the Red Bulls.

Webber/Vettel have a I'd say at least a 70% chance of getting the 1/2 at the next race, and having more pace than Alonso by a mile have every chance of getting a pit stop sized gap before they even need to pit.

Honestly take out safety cars from all the races and Red Bull's leads at the end of races would be embarassing compared to their points total.

Alonso's "ahead" but the only people that can throw away the title this weekend is Red Bull, its complicated by potential DNF's but Webber's only DNF'd one race hasn't he, and Vettel mostly when he's done something daft, which isn't out of the realm of possibility.

The most likely result though is Vettel/Webber 1/2 on the grid, Webber/Vettel 1/2 in the race and cruising the entire way with Alonso unable to compete with them.

If Red Bull don't win the race with THAT car, win the title I should say, Horner should be fired along with probably both the drivers, at least one.

That car is SO far ahead it should have walked the title , if they'd backed either driver one would be MILES ahead of Alonso. I'm not against leaving them to race it, but it was clear after a few accidents and problems more than a few races away that it was close enough to take a proper stance and not backing the leader was a really daft move.

Anyone could have won the title with Red Bull this year if Horner simply designated a 1st and 2nd driver in the team a year ago, Button, Hamilton, Webber, Vettel, Alonso, Schumacher, Rosberg, that car is so ridiculously far ahead of everyone else, anyone would have won the title in it.

Brawn last year may not have run away with the title of Barichello wasn't deemed no.2 so early in the season and the two of them actually duked it out, with a clear team preference it was an easy 1/2 in most races and utter dominance in the title.
 
I'd prefer to be Webber, and no idea why anyone would prefer to be Alonso, as good as the Ferrari is, sometimes, its not in the same ballpark as the Red Bulls.

You answered your own question there.

It is for exactly that reason (i.e. having the inferior car) that it would be great to see Alonso win the WDC. Even without the 7 points he was gifted in Germany he would still be leading the WDC.

What would be even more sweet is that if he does finish ahead of both RBs in Abu Dhabi, to take the WDC, just a week after RB took the WCC, in essence stealing there thunder.
 
Ferrari cant afford a grid drop , that effectively seals a 1-2 for Red Bull , so they (and FA) might as go down fighting/gambling that an engine DESIGNED for maximum 2 race distances will hold out for four (plus all the quali sessions etc)

IF FA starts 11th or 12th (at best) firstly there are all the risks inherent with the first few laps overtaking midfield drivers (who can be irrational at the best of times) fighting for position, but FA would also lose time on the RB's in the process and probably would have a fight even catching LH & JB let alone coming 2nd (to gaurentee the title no matter what)

If they dont change the engine - they avoid all those problems which arent under their control at all.....as opposed to all the monitoring they can do on the engine they built (and therefor have faith in)



It is a bit strange that in one sense MW HAS to hope that Alonso IS 3rd , 4th - thats probably the only thing that (as much as possible) gaurentees him the title if MW cant win himself
(if Alonso is 1st or 2nd, title is his - if Alonso is 3rd/4th , then MW is the only hope of RB winning the double (will RB do the sensible thing though, 1st time this year if they do - If Alonso is lower than 5th, whoever of the RB's leads/ wins the race gets the title (if as expected they are first and 2nd). Vettel could easily end up being the Champ on equal points due to count back wins (5/4)

IF MW isnt 1st or 2nd, Vettel wins and FA is 5th.....from a brief countback it looks like all Wins/podiums are equal between the two so the title could be decided on who's got the more lower points finishes.....which would be a strange reason to award a title imo lol

You answered your own question there.

It is for exactly that reason (i.e. having the inferior car) that it would be great to see Alonso win the WDC. Even without the 7 points he was gifted in Germany he would still be leading the WDC.

What would be even more sweet is that if he does finish ahead of both RBs in Abu Dhabi, to take the WDC, just a week after RB took the WCC, in essence stealing there thunder.

I know I wont be the only person of many (probably around the world) that feel cheated if Ferrari win the WDC, it would leave an incredibly sour taste in the mouth after the FIA completely bolloxed up their own rule book ( whether its admotted or not Ferrari broke the current rules and should have had the book thrown at them for doctoring the result).

Not only that but FA has had no internal team challange for the title - which more than outweighs any inferiority in the car (and it hasnt been THAT inferior in a number of races either, anything but)

The fact is that its those 7 points that more than likely give him any hope this weekend, as they were gained by breaking the rules - he really shouldnt have any hope this weekend if F1 was actuialy a Sport (rather than an advertising program run by Ferrari who allow other teams to show up occasionally lol)
 
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Laughing at me for perfectly justifying something? Ok :)

You lot sit here and work out all the silly little permutations to get golden boy the title, it's not happening.

While we're at it, a spaceship could appear and magically abduct Alonso, Vettel and Webber, letting Hamilton through on the last corner to win, wouldn't that be amazing!11!1!!

I don't even know how you made what i said into anything to be honest. That is what I am laughing at.

Its unlikely, but not impossible, so therefore worth putting £2 on it for a laugh.
 
I know I wont be the only person of many (probably around the world) that feel cheated if Ferrari win the WDC, it would leave an incredibly sour taste in the mouth after the FIA completely bolloxed up their own rule book ( whether its admotted or not Ferrari broke the current rules and should have had the book thrown at them for doctoring the result).

Not only that but FA has had no internal team challange for the title - which more than outweighs any inferiority in the car (and it hasnt been THAT inferior in a number of races either, anything but)

The fact is that its those 7 points that more than likely give him any hope this weekend, as they were gained by breaking the rules - he really shouldnt have any hope this weekend if F1 was actuialy a Sport (rather than an advertising program run by Ferrari who allow other teams to show up occasionally lol)

Did you feel cheated when Lewis won the title and Hekki moved over and they ran a team much the same as Ferrari have with massa?

Did you feel cheated when Brawn stiffed rubens to make sure Jenson won?

Just because FA has no challenger in the team doesn't mean that outweighs the gap to red bull. FA would rather have an extra 0.5-1 second the red bulls have than worry about massa as an equal. He would still be whipping Massa because massa is a chimp.
 
Did you feel cheated when Lewis won the title and Hekki moved over and they ran a team much the same as Ferrari have with massa?

Did you feel cheated when Brawn stiffed rubens to make sure Jenson won?

Just because FA has no challenger in the team doesn't mean that outweighs the gap to red bull. FA would rather have an extra 0.5-1 second the red bulls have than worry about massa as an equal. He would still be whipping Massa because massa is a chimp.

Thank you so much for responding. I read his response and I just cringed...
 
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