Brazilian Grand Prix 2010, Interlagos Circuit - Race 18/19

Cavallino said:
Thank you so much for responding. I read his response and I just cringed...
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+1

I am not naive enough to believe that Ferrari are alone in employing team orders. The issue for me is how blatant their disregard was - for the fans, the rules and the sport as a whole. To make it worse, however much I dislike him, Alonso is perfectly capable of succeding without such assistance. For this reason alone, I am backing Webber to take the title. Hell, at this point I would be happy for Vettel to take the title over Alonso.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
+1

I am not naive enough to believe that Ferrari are alone in employing team orders. The issue for me is how blatant their disregard was - for the fans, the rules and the sport as a whole. To make it worse, however much I dislike him, Alonso is perfectly capable of succeding without such assistance. For this reason alone, I am backing Webber to take the title. Hell, at this point I would be happy for Vettel to take the title over Alonso.
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Er CR just out of interest did you agree or disagree with dj22s comment?
(sorry I wasnt sure I worded my response correctly :D)
 
10 place isn't it?
And tbh, I think they should have done that in Brazil, he would have easily carved his way past the field as he showed he was capable of taking Hulkenberg and Hamilton (nearly).

Its all or nothing in Abu Dhabi. He is aiming to finish first and in actual fact, it should be much closer since its not as high downforce compared to Brazil. Ferrari have been good at those kind of middletracks where its not high or low downforce (e.g. similar to Germany).
 
dannyjo22 said:
Did you feel cheated when Lewis won the title and Hekki moved over and they ran a team much the same as Ferrari have with massa?

Did you feel cheated when Brawn stiffed rubens to make sure Jenson won?

Just because FA has no challenger in the team doesn't mean that outweighs the gap to red bull. FA would rather have an extra 0.5-1 second the red bulls have than worry about massa as an equal. He would still be whipping Massa because massa is a chimp.
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Brawn allowed both to race right up to the end, otherwise JB would have won at least one more race than he did last season
Compared to Massa yeah I wanted LH to win the title, I dont recall how close Heikki was to ever win a race in 2008, but either way even if McLaren were guilty (or not) of race fixing as blatant as Ferrari were this year two wrongs dont make a right. Ferrari should have been penalised irrespective of past decisionns.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Did you feel cheated when Lewis won the title and Hekki moved over and they ran a team much the same as Ferrari have with massa?

Did you feel cheated when Brawn stiffed rubens to make sure Jenson won?

Just because FA has no challenger in the team doesn't mean that outweighs the gap to red bull. FA would rather have an extra 0.5-1 second the red bulls have than worry about massa as an equal. He would still be whipping Massa because massa is a chimp.
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Brawn allowed both to race right up to the end, otherwise JB would have won at least one more race than he did last season
Compared to Massa yeah I wanted LH to win the title, I dont recall how close Heikki was to ever win a race in 2008, but either way even if McLaren were guilty (or not) of race fixing as blatant as Ferrari were this year two wrongs dont make a right. Ferrari should have been penalised irrespective of past decisionns.
Of course its more difficult to win a championship with someone in the same car competing directly with you, therefore more deserving of the wdc win
 
drunkenmaster said:
I'd prefer to be Webber, and no idea why anyone would prefer to be Alonso, as good as the Ferrari is, sometimes, its not in the same ballpark as the Red Bulls.
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Far more can go against Webber. He needs himself, Vettel & Alonso to all have a good smooth race at the front, either one of them make a big mistake or have a failure and he will lose out to either Alonso or Vettel.
 
Dutch Guy said:
Thanks, so I guess Alonso will win then as Vettel does not want Webber to win and even Dieter Mateschitz said he wouldn't mind if RB lose the drivers championship if RB do not give a team order to let Webber pass Vettel to win.
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Horner has hinted at the opposite (I think at the end of the race in brazil). The quote is around here somewhere. If Vettel is 1st and Webber is 2nd, Vettel will move over on the last lap, you can count on that. The WDC is worth too much to the team to throw it away. Hell, they many never get another chance. I am expecting Ferrari to come back strong next year.
 
Dutch Guy said:
Who wins it if the result is Vettel in 1st, Webber in 2nd and Alonso in 3rd ?
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If it's like that during the race then Webber should because Red Bull will presumably make the switch, but if Alonso retires or is 5th or lower they will not make the switch and Vettel will become champion.

The only way Webber can have it in own hands is to be ahead of Vettel and hope Vettel finishes 2nd, but given how the season has gone that's unlikely and I wouldn't put it past Red Bull to have a bad pit stop with him if Alonso does have a problem so they can get golden boy in front.

It's all quite complicated but Alonso is the only one who knows what he has to do and without needing outside help, either finish 2nd or try to stay as close to the Red Bulls as possible ready to pounce if/when they switch or just pressure them into a mistake/blowing an engine.
 
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My prediction for Abu Dhabi


half way through the race its

Vettel
Webber
Alonso


Then Alonso's engine expires meaning Red Bulls have to fight for WDC and...

Take each other out

Hamilton says "thankyou very much" and the miracle is granted.
 
Outcast said:
My prediction for Abu Dhabi


half way through the race its

Vettel
Webber
Alonso


Then Alonso's engine expires meaning Red Bulls have to fight for WDC and...

Take each other out

Hamilton says "thankyou very much" and the miracle is granted.
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That would make my life :D - can't see it happening though. Then again, given how this season has turned out, I am not sure it would surprise me all that much!
 
FrankJH said:
Brawn allowed both to race right up to the end, otherwise JB would have won at least one more race than he did last season
Compared to Massa yeah I wanted LH to win the title, I dont recall how close Heikki was to ever win a race in 2008, but either way even if McLaren were guilty (or not) of race fixing as blatant as Ferrari were this year two wrongs dont make a right. Ferrari should have been penalised irrespective of past decisionns.
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It was clear who brawn wanted to win the title just as much as it's clear red bull want Vettel. They chimped Rubens with strategy early on in the season when JB was racking up wins.

Rubens went public and they then let him have a shout. Rubens knew when he looked at the numbers they were stopping him winning and giving JB the fastest route. Rubens way would only ever work if the race went perfectly.

I don't care about ferraris team order with massa purely because massa isn't fast enough anyway and they all do it. Yep it was more blatant but I don't live in this bubble where I excuse it if I know it's happening but not blatant.

Ferraris only mistake for me is not moving Massa out the way at earlier races where he was holding up Alonso. When alonso made up multiple postions or was even faster with a damaged car. Would there have been any fuss then?

Of course there wouldn't because it was for minor points places, just like no one here has ranted about MS moving over to let his faster team mate have a go in the last race.
 
Or the standing is Vettel, Webber, Alonso with 5 laps to go and RB make the switch, one lap after that Alonso blows his engine and RB want to switch again so Vettel wins but Webber refuses and they crash again leaving Hammy to walk away with the championship :)
 
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