Poll: Brazilian Grand Prix 2016, São Paulo - Race 20/21

Rate the 2016 Brazilian Grand Prix out of ten

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Absolutely cracking race once it got going. Verstappen was the driver of the day for me.

And it's all down to the final race. If Hamilton and Rosberg were to tie on points which of the two would become champion? They have 9 wins apiece. Rosberg has 4 second place finishes and Hamilton 3, so things could get very complex, say if Hamilton were to finish 2nd and Rosberg 7th...
 
Decided on 4/10 rating, despite Max's masterclass. Marked down because of...
Delaying race start
Too many laps under safety car
Some questionable red flags
Redbull making a pig's ear on fitting inters to both drivers, instead of splitting their choices, given inters were not a clear-cut best tyre to be on (robbing us of at least Max vs Nicola in the closing stages of the race)

Lewis very philosophical regarding Redbull's madness inters call.
 
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Had to give it a 9 for Max's performance, that was truly awesome driving. Rosberg lucky to get 2nd today. Lewis seemed to have the measure of everyone.
 
Quartz said:
Absolutely cracking race once it got going. Verstappen was the driver of the day for me.

And it's all down to the final race. If Hamilton and Rosberg were to tie on points which of the two would become champion? They have 9 wins apiece. Rosberg has 4 second place finishes and Hamilton 3, so things could get very complex, say if Hamilton were to finish 2nd and Rosberg 7th...
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The only permutations which produce equal points are 2nd/7th and 4th/DNF, both of which are exceedingly unlikely.
 
Wow.

I gave that race an 8 / 10.

Fantastic entertainment. We had a good crowd around to watch the race and to a person we were both shouting at the safety car decisions and cheering on Verstappen. That was an epic drive, simply brilliant. So similar to Button in Canada but just without the time nor the laps to seal the win.

Two points off for me - the FIA decisions on the safety car were poor. The racing we finally got at the end showed that, along with the time spent in the pit lane under a red flag when the rain eased off. Twice. Secondly, the lack of real competition at the front - circumstances denied us that.

It isn't this grand prix's fault, but the championship is now going to be decided at one of the poorest, most sterile tracks on the calendar. I certainly won't begrudge Rosberg the championship but he just needs to do a half decent job in qualifying and then get a decent start and he's won. There's no possibility for anything to interrupt this from other teams - only mechanical failure.

But let's not let this take anything away from Brazil. I'm not a fan of this track at all but it delivered great entertainment.
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
Why exactly?
What did Lewis do that was so much more special than Nico?
He finished 8 or 10 seconds ahead, they both survived multiple SCs and red flags.
Obviously if it had been no stoppages, then Lewis would have been further ahead, but there were reasons for the stoppages.

The hatred of him is just so intense.
I've said for several races now that I think Lewis will win this season. He still might. The more I hear of the hatred and crashes wished upon his opponent, the more I'd prefer he didn't win.
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Lewis was lapping a good 1+ seconds a lap quicker than Rosberg without giving even the slightest hint that he was even close to the edge or on the verge of having a wobble.

edGfaCTor said:
Schumy built that team do not forget that he didn't do like Lewis walk into teams which was already at top which he has done at all the teams he has been a.(Rosberg & Schumy put up with the awful years helping Mercedes team)

Too many rose tinted spec people in here when it comes to Lewis and regarding few posts up claiming Lewis was great because of the gap well remember he had clear track no spray for a start that is a massive difference and he could set the pace for the restarts.
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Mercedes were hardly a team right at the top when Lewis joined them, having only won 1 race in the previous 3 seasons. In contrast he had won 3 races in his last season at McLaren.
 
I think it's fair to say nearly everyone thought it was madness that Lewis was joining a struggling Mercedes. You have to remember, at the time Schumacher and Rosberg were consistently finishing 8/10th and eating their tyres faster than most cars. Lewis wasn't winning races like he is now (at McLaren) but they seemed a better bet than Mercedes.

To say lewis walked in to a top team is maybe true of McLaren 2007 but rubbish about Mercedes. You could make the argument that Vettel "lucked in" as much as anyone. To be honest, I've always seen it as "right place, right time" or the "reverse Alonso effect" :D
 
I think people forget how woeful that Mercedes was when he joined. It was quick but it would just eat tyres

edit: Ha, must have had the same thought at the same time
 
EVH said:
I think it's fair to say nearly everyone thought it was madness that Lewis was joining a struggling Mercedes. You have to remember, at the time Schumacher and Rosberg were consistently finishing 8/10th and eating their tyres faster than most cars. Lewis wasn't winning races like he is now (at McLaren) but they seemed a better bet than Mercedes.

To say lewis walked in to a top team is maybe true of McLaren 2007 but rubbish about Mercedes. You could make the argument that Vettel "lucked in" as much as anyone. To be honest, I've always seen it as "right place, right time" or the "reverse Alonso effect" :D
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yep, there was only one or two people on this forum, who didn't have to eat their hats. The rest of us and the vast majority of media and people in the sport, were so so wrong.
 
Hmm....looks to be over now. Reminds me of when Nicky Hayden won the drivers title in motogp in 2006 with only 2 race wins in the season. Very unpopular winner.
At least he didn't cheat though like Nicola.
 
Just watched the highlights and thought it was a decent race. Then again I obviously had all the waiting around cut out... :D

Hamilton is doing all he can do by winning these races and seems to be remaining composed about it. I think he's accepted that all he can do is win and hope for the best, I also think Rosberg will win it now as he too is doing all he needs to so barring failure or a crash either way it should be his to lose. I think if Rosberg does win it they'll be better friends again and Mercedes will have less grief to deal with next year as Rosberg won't have anything to prove anymore. It will chill him right out.

Kimis crash was a bit heart stopping with the guys behind coming so close. :o

Max's drive smacks of vettels wet weather drive for TR years ago that brought him to the fore. I don't like some of his race craft but he's a definite talent and dare I say a future champion if he can keep external flack to a minimum. Vettel definitely isn't a fan anymore... :p

Button had another terrible call with tyres. People go on about his amazing mystic like powers of going on to the right tyres at the right time but I recall far more, change tyre, it's the wrong tyre, change back, than him getting the calls right. Basically if you fire enough shots you're going to hit the target at some point.

Overall there was some serious skill shown today and bar some white line liberties taken which were then paid for, they definitely earned their money. :)
 
Didn't Vettel pretty much lead start to finish? That was back when the TR was effectively a red bull , it was okay, different engine? That car just hooked up perfectly for the wet, it was the fastest car in qualifying and I forget who it was Buemi maybe, was also having a great qualifying and great race pace.... looked up the details. Was Bordais, he qualified 4th though was matching Vettel in Q1/2 so probably had heavier fuel in Q3, still 4th shows the car was amongst the fastest that weekend. He stalled and was a lap down before he got going, he had similar to Vettel pace all race though, but starting from a lap down never had a chance.

Vettel at Monza was more like Hamilton in this race, fastest car, controlled drive, fantastic qualifying and fantastic pace but ultimately a pretty smooth race out front. In fact Hamilton had a race much like Verstappen's, he was way down due to Mclaren strategy mistake(didn't go out on the extremes and was way slower as result). He actually had a crazy exciting race, great pace (matching/better than Vettel's) but every call to switch tire came at exactly the wrong time. Think he got screwed with a pitstop before a safety car as well. But he was making passes, catching people hand over fist and pulling out some great overtakes.

Like today Verstappen and Hamilton were both great but very different types of race. Hamilton was just perfect all race, no major moments but managed to never make a mistake while being the fastest guy out their throughout. Verstappen was a tad slower(slower car though) but due to where he was and tactical mistakes by team had a far more exciting race.

Hamilton showed off a inch perfect drive, Verstappen showed off the perfect way to make places up in the rain.


INcidentically Brazil sucks unless it rains. There is only one line through every corner here unless it's raining, when it rains it can be brilliant. In the dry there is a single line through the track and you lose time following anyone on it, in the wet pretty much every corner is slow on the inside fast on the outside with the slight cambers and the hills and general flow of the track meaning you can go slow and tight or wide and fast. For me it only works in the rain, if Bernie was going to do a controlled rain race anywhere, Brazil should be it.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Didn't Vettel pretty much lead start to finish? That was back when the TR was effectively a red bull , it was okay, different engine? That car just hooked up perfectly for the wet, it was the fastest car in qualifying and I forget who it was Buemi maybe, was also having a great qualifying and great race pace.... looked up the details. Was Bordais, he qualified 4th though was matching Vettel in Q1/2 so probably had heavier fuel in Q3, still 4th shows the car was amongst the fastest that weekend. He stalled and was a lap down before he got going, he had similar to Vettel pace all race though, but starting from a lap down never had a chance.

Vettel at Monza was more like Hamilton in this race, fastest car, controlled drive, fantastic qualifying and fantastic pace but ultimately a pretty smooth race out front. In fact Hamilton had a race much like Verstappen's, he was way down due to Mclaren strategy mistake(didn't go out on the extremes and was way slower as result). He actually had a crazy exciting race, great pace (matching/better than Vettel's) but every call to switch tire came at exactly the wrong time. Think he got screwed with a pitstop before a safety car as well. But he was making passes, catching people hand over fist and pulling out some great overtakes.

Like today Verstappen and Hamilton were both great but very different types of race. Hamilton was just perfect all race, no major moments but managed to never make a mistake while being the fastest guy out their throughout. Verstappen was a tad slower(slower car though) but due to where he was and tactical mistakes by team had a far more exciting race.

Hamilton showed off a inch perfect drive, Verstappen showed off the perfect way to make places up in the rain.


INcidentically Brazil sucks unless it rains. There is only one line through every corner here unless it's raining, when it rains it can be brilliant. In the dry there is a single line through the track and you lose time following anyone on it, in the wet pretty much every corner is slow on the inside fast on the outside with the slight cambers and the hills and general flow of the track meaning you can go slow and tight or wide and fast. For me it only works in the rain, if Bernie was going to do a controlled rain race anywhere, Brazil should be it.
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Well said
 
Locky said:
Congratulations to Rosberg on his default championship.
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If Lewis takes pole and wins in Abu Dhabi, yet Rosberg still takes it by finishing second or third, then Lewis will have won more races and taken three more poles, despite not even competing in three Q3 sessions, having suffered three engine failures and also handicapped in Belgium as a result of them.

So, despite what the Nico fanboys or Lewis haters would like to believe, Rosberg will be one of the luckiest champions ever, only taking it by virtue of being in a massively dominant car and his teammate and only real challenger having suffered massively more reliability issues.
 
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