Poll: Brazilian Grand Prix 2021, São Paulo - Race 19

Sui · 13 Nov 2021 at 20:48

EVH said:
Let’s not start chucking the term fanboy around and have a civil debate, shall we?

He’s too edgy

Feek · 13 Nov 2021 at 20:59

What a great sprint that was.

Flibster · 13 Nov 2021 at 21:01

So only one side of the Merc rear wing failed the test, the other side and the middle passed?

Sounds very much broken then. The wing assembly was taken away, and Merc still haven't seen it... Anything sound iffy about that?

Normally if something breaks in quali, you can replace it with another part of the same spec for scrutineering. But this, nope.

Deleted member 651465 · 13 Nov 2021 at 21:03

Flibster said:
So only one side of the Merc rear wing failed the test, the other side and the middle passed?

Sounds very much broken then. The wing assembly was taken away, and Merc still haven't seen it... Anything sound iffy about that?

Normally if something breaks in quali, you can replace it with another part of the same spec for scrutineering. But this, nope.

They knew of the potential problem before quali started so the argument is they could have fixed it.

CaptainRAVE · 13 Nov 2021 at 21:03

Feek said:
What a great sprint that was.

I agree, I’m shocked.

Flibster said:
So only one side of the Merc rear wing failed the test, the other side and the middle passed?

Sounds very much broken then. The wing assembly was taken away, and Merc still haven't seen it... Anything sound iffy about that?

Normally if something breaks in quali, you can replace it with another part of the same spec for scrutineering. But this, nope.

It stinks. Anyway, it’s fired up Mercedes and it’s fun to watch. I doubt Hamilton can win the WDC, what what a win it would be.

GR63 · 13 Nov 2021 at 21:09

CaptainRAVE said:
I agree, I’m shocked.

It stinks. Anyway, it’s fired up Mercedes and it’s fun to watch. I doubt Hamilton can win the WDC, what what a win it would be.

This... Lewis was on fire... 2 more laps and he'd have had another place.. Bodes well for race

bayo000 · 13 Nov 2021 at 21:09

CaptainRAVE said:
I don’t think any of them had an answer for that pace, he was all over them - straights, braking zones, corners.

I don't disagree but I expect it will take him a bit longer to carve his way through as tomorrow there will be championship points at stake. Today there was nothing to gain for them as they knew that with his penalty he's likely to start behind them anyway. With Merc pit stop strategy being a bit off recently, keeping him back a few corners/ laps might pay off at the end of the race

Flibster · 13 Nov 2021 at 21:15

EVH said:
They knew of the potential problem before quali started so the argument is they could have fixed it.

Haven't seen anything that shows they knew anything about it before Quali. Just post quali, when the gauge was pushed into the (for the want of a better term) 'flap gap' and the wing also passed the static test which is what's stated as the test in the regs. It's a non-binding technical directive that states a maximum of a 10Nm force to be applied. Ok then? How is the force applied? Gentle shove, pneumatic cylinder? Is it calibrated?

CaptainRAVE · 13 Nov 2021 at 21:17

bayo000 said:
I don't disagree but I expect it will take him a bit longer to carve his way through as tomorrow there will be championship points at stake. Today there was nothing to gain for them as they knew that with his penalty he's likely to start behind them anyway. With Merc pit stop strategy being a bit off recently, keeping him back a few corners/ laps might pay off at the end of the race

With a longer race he won’t need to be as aggressive. Unless there’s a safety car the field will spread and he’ll pick them off easily with drs and in the pits.

jonneymendoza · 13 Nov 2021 at 21:21

Do you guys think that qualifying disqualified was OK? Or harsh or wrong from fia?

jaybee · 13 Nov 2021 at 21:24

It's clearly a wing failure. You wouldn't design an unbalance like that on one side. It's harsh imo the way it's been handled in comparison to similar incidents in the past.

IPBA · 13 Nov 2021 at 21:25

edGfaCTor said:
No I wouldn't I would have said the same thing it's the fanboys like yourself who always see with rose tinted specs

So now stooping to the level of calling me a fanboy. Are you not the same individual who was team Nico and heavily against Lewis, you had a different forum name back then?

Anyway do not bother responding as it will be another childish response from you as we have already witnessed. Have a good night.

this_is_gav · 13 Nov 2021 at 21:31

Flibster said:
So only one side of the Merc rear wing failed the test, the other side and the middle passed?

Sounds very much broken then. The wing assembly was taken away, and Merc still haven't seen it... Anything sound iffy about that?

That doesn't matter a jot. If he ran a wing which, whether it broke or not, failed the test yet didn't obviously give a disadvantage (indeed an almost certain advantage) there was only ever going to be one outcome.

As for Merc not seeing it, I'm sure they have it now and will be able to repair it in time of for the race, should it be needed.

Irish_Tom · 13 Nov 2021 at 21:35

el_dazza said:
So.. where are all the doom mongers now? He wins the race tomorrow based on that.

Still here *waves*. Had to put the little one to bed.

Max is going to come out of this race weekend with a bigger points gap than he had going into it. You heard it here first.

Stumble Bum · 13 Nov 2021 at 21:36

Anyone else feel like the DRS effect was a bit too strong today?....

bayo000 · 13 Nov 2021 at 21:36

jonneymendoza said:
Do you guys think that qualifying disqualified was OK? Or harsh or wrong from fia?

Bit harsh on the driver but overall I think it's fair. It's a team sport, for a driver to win the whole team has to perform. Equally you have situations when the team does everything right only for a driver to make a mistake and the team loosing out on points for constructor championship.

If this happened in the first few races it wouldn't get as much coverage as it does now with the championship being so close.

this_is_gav · 13 Nov 2021 at 21:38

Irish_Tom said:
Max is going to come out of this race weekend with a bigger points gap than he had going into it. You heard it here first.

You've hardly got an exclusive on that. Hamilton was expected to take an engine penalty before the cars even arrived in the country.

CaptainRAVE · 13 Nov 2021 at 21:39

Stumble Bum said:
Anyone else feel like the DRS effect was a bit too strong today?...

No, Hamilton was just too quick. Max couldn’t overtake bottas with drs.

Deleted member 651465 · 13 Nov 2021 at 21:40

Flibster said:
Haven't seen anything that shows they knew anything about it before Quali. Just post quali, when the gauge was pushed into the (for the want of a better term) 'flap gap' and the wing also passed the static test which is what's stated as the test in the regs. It's a non-binding technical directive that states a maximum of a 10Nm force to be applied. Ok then? How is the force applied? Gentle shove, pneumatic cylinder? Is it calibrated?

It was my mistake… reading the decision back it says that had they spotted the problem earlier they could have fixed it under parc ferme

Don’t post and go, folks!

Stumble Bum · 13 Nov 2021 at 21:41

CaptainRAVE said:
No, Hamilton was just too quick. Max couldn’t overtake bottas with drs.

Jesus, you took it literally?

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