Poll: Brazilian Grand Prix 2022, Interlagos - Race 21

Rate the São Paulo (don’t call it the Brazilian) Grand Prix out of ten


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God the jealously and sourness towards a team who have produced the best car and wrapped up both championships this year is astonishing.
Daniel left because he was never going to be anything but a support act to the Max show, I don't recall any mention of "toxicity" from Daniel at the time
Also this, its staggering how many people want to change the narrative to suit their current view and how they wish to convert others to that view.
 
Karun's run down of the penalty is good I think. Essentially Lewis could have left room on the entry to T2 but Max was over-speed so much he was always going to push Lewis off track through it. This YT comment sums it up perfectly; "Another example of max deliberately going into a corner too fast to “gain track position” with ZERO intention of actually making the corner. This was 2021 max in a nutshell"
And this is backed up by Max himself in his comments about deliberately not backing out to avoid the contact but yet there are still people in here defending his actions and saying it wasn't his fault.
 
Vettel was an absolute tool when he drove for... Red Bull. Now he's one of the nicest, most liked drivers on the grid. He changed when he left... Wait for it... Red Bull. I'm noticing something here.
Red bull have always been an absolutely toxic team, but that stems from the upper management
 
And this is backed up by Max himself in his comments about deliberately not backing out to avoid the contact but yet there are still people in here defending his actions and saying it wasn't his fault.

Yep.

Max went off the track at turn 2.

He often makes little attempt to actually take the turn properly on track.

Its just brake late, over speed into the corner, and hope the chump next to him backs out.

Max definitely deserved a penalty there.
 
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Yep.

Max went off the track at turn 2.

He often makes little attempt to actually take the turn properly on track.

Its just brake late, over speed into the corner, and hope the chump next to him backs out.
if its in line with the rules and works, are you moaning about max taking advantage or moaning about the set up of the rule?
To me, sounds like the latter.
 
God the jealously and sourness towards a team who have produced the best car and wrapped up both championships this year is astonishing.

Also this, its staggering how many people want to change the narrative to suit their current view and how they wish to convert others to that view.

I mean the first one was due to error and now breaking the cap so its understandable, with the penalty given imo I think they got away with it
 
if its in line with the rules and works, are you moaning about max taking advantage or moaning about the set up of the rule?
To me, sounds like the latter.

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No, its obvious that Max could not have taken that corner at a speed to stay ahead of Lewis and stay on the track at the same time. This has been how he has operated throughout his career. Carry too much speed into a corner on a tight line (ie with no hope of making the corner) and just expect the other driver to get out of the way.

Max literally did not make the corner. He went off track.

He is just continually trying to overtake off track effectively.
 
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God the jealously and sourness towards a team who have produced the best car and wrapped up both championships this year is astonishing.
When you win the first championship through dirty driving, and "human error", then you win the second by cheating and breaking the budget cap... all whilst acting like you deserve both and are in some way comparable to a much better group of drivers that have won many more championships over the years.. then yes a certain amount of sourness is to be expected.

EDIT: Beaten.

if its in line with the rules and works, are you moaning about max taking advantage or moaning about the set up of the rule?
To me, sounds like the latter.
But it's not in line with the rules, hence why he got a penalty. It just took them through all of 2021 and most of 2022 to realise this the "grey" area he exploits in 90% of his overtakes. I'm surprised no one has made a compilation of his overtakes where he just beans it up the inside and forces the other driver to yield or have contact.
 
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No, its obvious that Max could not have taken that corner at a speed to stay ahead of Lewis and stay on the track at the same time. This has been how he has operated throughout his career. Carry too much speed into a corner on a tight line (ie with no hope of making the corner) and just expect the other driver to get out of the way.

Max literally did not make the corner. He went off track.

He is just continually trying to overtake off track effectively.
which is why he got a penalty for it.

But oyu initially gave a breakdown of how he was and chooses to make his overtakes, which are in line with the rules. His overtake at the weekend wasnt, so he got a penalty.
All other overtakes you might be referencing and not happy about, have been legal and within the rules hence my comment :)
 
But it's not in line with the rules, hence why he got a penalty. It just took them through all of 2021 and most of 2022 to realise this the "grey" area he exploits in 90% of his overtakes. I'm surprised no one has made a compilation of his overtakes where he just beans it up the inside and forces the other driver to yield or have contact.
which is why he got a penalty, its the comment of
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He often makes little attempt to actually take the turn properly on track.

Its just brake late, over speed into the corner, and hope the chump next to him backs out."

If its in line with the rules, then its legal.
 
All other overtakes you might be referencing and not happy about, have been legal and within the rules hence my comment :)
Well almost exactly a year ago. Look familiar? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIOtkT2LeyU

It's a hard thing to find online now given the 2022 race has just happened but he didn't get penalised for that one did he... It's obvious in 2022 Max's intention was to do the same as he did here in 2021. Did they ever get the onboard from Max's car in 2021? lol.. :o
 
Looking back on the telemetry of Perez’ Monaco crash, with the context of todays outbursts, it definitely looks like it was deliberate. I wonder if anything will come of it.
 
Well almost exactly a year ago. Look familiar? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIOtkT2LeyU

It's a hard thing to find online now given the 2022 race has just happened but he didn't get penalised for that one did he... It's obvious in 2022 Max's intention was to do the same as he did here in 2021. Did they ever get the onboard from Max's car in 2021? lol.. :o
FIA looked at all data and identified he was not at fault, did not cause an incident directly through his driving and was not penalised as such.
 
Well almost exactly a year ago. Look familiar? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIOtkT2LeyU

It's a hard thing to find online now given the 2022 race has just happened but he didn't get penalised for that one did he... It's obvious in 2022 Max's intention was to do the same as he did here in 2021. Did they ever get the onboard from Max's car in 2021? lol.. :o

Exactly.

Monza was similar too.
 
Exactly.

Monza was similar too.
Sounds like your issue is with the FIA and the rules surrounding racing rather than a driver looking to gain advantage. Its not like how every other competitive professional in every sport looks to do the same through one way or another.
 
FIA looked at all data and identified he was not at fault, did not cause an incident directly through his driving and was not penalised as such.
Just for clarity, you're talking about the guys who ran Jeddah 2021 (for example) and all the nonsense Max got away with right? And the same guys who were in charge for Abu Dhabi 2021? Just so i'm clear, obviously.

Stewarding and race control was a total ****show for the duration of 2021. Max wasn't just handed the title due to Masi at the end of Abu Dhabi. He got away with absolute murder during the whole season.
 
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