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From the people I know who work(ed) at Red Bull, it's much the same for techs/engineers. Not a great culture to work in.
Poll: Brazilian Grand Prix 2022, Interlagos - Race 21
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From the people I know who work(ed) at Red Bull, it's much the same for techs/engineers. Not a great culture to work in.
Yeah I am, they were who was in charge at the time, they made the calls that stick to today.
I know you didnt like it and hated it, I dare say there is some wonderful threads and comments about Masi in here, maybe you shared some unfavourable comments about him, maybe not. Either way, got classed as legal and we move on like good little boys, well some of us do.
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Have we got to the point where Scam's arguing about Abu Dhabi again? That's usually the point where a race thread get's locked isn't it.
No, might be for you though.
How many other times have you seen incorrect things happen in sport, basically zero of them get overturned unless drugs are involved.
Yeah we have again, I am sorry but a small amount of fans from each drivers camp are absolutely toxic and are negative for the sport and progression.
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I really want to know what Max's reasons are for not letting his teammate take 6th and help wrap-up a team 1-2 in the WDC (which they've never achieved).
A serious Competitive mindset of being at the top of the top will cause things like this to happen.
MULTI 21!
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Multi 21 is a bad example... that was for a race win, not for SIXTH at the pneultimate race of a championship that was wrapped up with races to spare.
I genuinely hope his reasoning is because he's contractually number 1 and not just because he won't "let" Perez beat him. He's basically just torpedoed the good will he had with Perez for a nothing result.
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point still stands though, team are asking for one thing, driver has something else in mind due to the need to be competitive and #1.
You could take the entire race away from history and no results at the end of the year would change for the parties involved.
He blamed Perez for crashing on purpose in Monaco qualifying, similar to what Rosberg did to Hamilton in 2016
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So, what is your argument? The driver is an employee of the team and should not overrule their decisions, regardless of their personal desires. For a race win I'd understand (Hamilton Vs Rosberg 2014 et al) but still wouldn't condone it.
Your comparison to Multi21 is complete opposite end of the spectrum which makes it even less valid imo. Also.. the results very much *would* change if Perez doesn't get 2nd in the championship because of this incident
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I wasn't the first to bring up AD, we were talking about Max's dubious overtakes of which there was plenty in 2021. If you like we can stick with the Abu Dhabi theme; https://youtu.be/7QJ-N-AQJYc?t=43 here's another great example of Max throwing it up the inside with no way to make the corner legally. I don't believe he got a penalty there @sidimmu. Doesn't make it ok, just more proof of the poor stewarding during last year. The point is relevant to this conversion. In a nutshell, stewards got it right in this race by penalising Max. Whilst during last year they got it very wrong on multiple occasions, when it came to Max's racing. You're blind, or have never watched F1 before if you can't see that.
My memory is useless but why would Perez do that on purpose? He wasn't in the running for the championship was he?
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I'm not buying that.. Perez was 3rd at that stage in qualifying, so he'd have to be pretty salty to hold the belief that he did it intentionally.
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Yeah I saw that too, but I still think it's a stretch for anyone to blame their team mate for crashing out of a net P3 to stop them besting their time. The potential gearbox damage (and penalty) wouldn't be worth the gamble and that's before any potential penalty for foul play. Leclerc a few years ago crashed out whilst P1 and no one was crying foul.. I think the media are trying to link to incidents which don't necessarily add up.
Schumacher as Rascass or Rosberg's wibbly-wobbly arms are examples that definitely do warrant suspicion... but not that.
So why would Max not let Perez through in this race? He seemed to have a reason.
Sounds more like it's a blanket "I said I would never do any team orders" statement from him. But even that doesn't make sense because he now seems to be implying they're "even" and he'd help him in Abu Dhabi next weekend if needed. It's very odd.
Also, it isn't like it affected anything either. Max has won the championship at a canter.
damn you really comparing this to multi 21
Presume you have never been in a truly competitive environment then nor have ever had the desire to be the best every day you are competing, this is what we saw. A competitive driver wanting to be as competitive and have the best results, because all he cares about is being competitive and the best.
Multi21 is identical as that is what Seb was doing back then too.
Incorrect. I aint watching no link from a race a year ago for the sake of someone who is crying at the rules.
The stewards did their job last year, they read the rules and deemed said overtakes as legal and moved on. So whats the problem? As we established in one of my earlier replies to you, you seem to be mad at the rules of driving and what the stewards have to enforce which does allow for gay racing at times.
People who have never worked or operated in truly competitive environments to become a top class athlete will never be able to understand the connection.
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