Poll: Brazilian Grand Prix 2022, Interlagos - Race 21
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When you have a legacy you wish to leave, no one remembers you being a nice guy or a great guy etc etc, they remember who's name sits in the record books.
Again as stated from another poster, he is looking to break records now and set them high so they hopefully wont be beaten for some time, thats typically what you do when you become the record holder. Most world records get trounced, not beaten by a 0.5% margin.
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Brilliant he wouldnt won without the TEAM , just one small gesture in return and couldnt do it what will it take ? should be renamed MAX F1 Racing
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Unless he's got a serious amount of shares I cant see the name change occurring.
Again you are showing you have no idea what it means to have a #1 driver and a driver that his only mind set is to win and to win every freaking time.
Not said as to what the reasons were though, so still could be down to him wanting to break records.
If you do not believe this, please provide a valid source which confirms the reasons for Max doing what he did.
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You've assumed and made an ass out of yourself there
I have competed in high level sport (albeit fighting) and won euro and world championships.Multi 21 was for a race win and Seb was still battling for a championship. Max was racing for 6th and had already sewn up the championship.... the only similarity is both drivers wanted to beat their teammate. You may call it competitive, but I'd call that disrespecting the team who ultimately provide him that platform to win.
Anyway, I won't add anything more to this as you clearly feel strongly about it and I haven't got the stamina for it.
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some occasions dont need to win and this was one of them , he wasnt fighting for podium and championship already sawn up , and defying team orders and now coming up looking bad guess he doesnt care for that by now regardless this was for the team who without he wouldnt have won championships
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Soldato
Is max a special case? Who said that? My reply was to a post specifically about Max.
My bad I should not of presumed that and apologies.You've assumed there and made an ass out of yourself there
Multi 21 was for a race win and Seb was still battling for a championship. Max was racing for 6th and had already sewn up the championship.... the only similarity is both drivers wanted to beat their teammate. You may call it competitive, but I'd call that disrespecting the team who ultimately provide him that platform to win.
Anyway, I won't add anything more to this as you clearly feel strongly about it and I haven't got the stamina for it.
But surely of all people you should truly understand the nature of wanting to be the best and ALWAYS win.
You may say it is different situations, but it does not matter, wins, points and records are on the line, therefore he is going to choose to be competitive.
If your competitions instead of being on a 1v1 and single win depended over weeks and months of competition, regardless if you have won it or not, you'll probably want to set some sort of record for others to attempt to break. If you dont fancy doing
that, then congrats on the win but thats probably where it will end and only be remembered for that win, rather than doing something special. Not picking on you here or saying you won and have no legacy, thats not my intentions, please do not interpret it as that, just trying to make you see the logic in doing everything you can to leave more of a legacy than just a win in this example.
Refusing to provide anything outside of "you wasnt winning today, so just give up your place" is getting rather boring. #1 driver wants to be top, every time.
Yeah he might not care about records as such, but the amount of records he breaks and holds will identify his legacy as being a top driver, which is what he is all about.
Soldato
Actually, they do. Champions at anything who take a "Win At All Costs" mentality are usually viewed negatively throughout history compared with people who display genuine sportsmanship. Some people are even remembered simply because of their sportsmanship rather than being the best ever at their sport.
Look at the pantheon of great F1 drivers for examples. Is Michael Schumacher going to be remembered purely for his titles? Or will his antics (Monaco '06, Hill '94, Villeneuve '97) always be mentioned alongside his successes? Even in this thread the late, great Senna has been remembered for being perhaps not the nicest of characters behind the wheel. Contrast that with how Jim Clarke is remembered, or Graham Hill or perhaps even Jackie Stewart. The behaviour of the person is remembered alongside their achievements.
Caporegime
Exactly. What people don't remember is the minor details like "do you remember when Max won the 2022 season with 511pts instead of 510pts". They do remember that they don't like Max and think that he was an arrogant ass in a sport that is determined almost entirely by your team and vehicle.
People love Nadal and Federer and are generally a bit indifferent at best when it comes to Djokovic. Wonder why?
People like personality in their sports stars but they don't like utter *****.
Except he was 6th. Soooo? Most drivers that want to be top couldn't care less between 5th and 6th. They both count as losing. So again, what was Max's excuse for not letting Perez through?
Jeez I actually have work to do today, I can't go round in circles much longer on this. I just showed you links to multiple occasions to where Max said he doesn't care about records or legacy. It's not what he's about at all.
Indeed.
I think this is all very simple. It doesn't matter who you support. It doesn't matter if you're the biggest Max fan or the biggest e.g. Lewis fan, it doesn't matter if you work for the team in question etc. Absolutely everyone with even a gram of common sense knows that what Max did was wrong. It wasn't for a podium, it didn't matter where he finished. Perez has helped him multiple times.
I defend Max a lot, as I think he's an incredibly talented driver and I enjoy his driving style. I also defend his attitude regularly, as I'm not an idiot (like many) and can appreciate that many elite sportsman are egotistical etc. Despite all of that, what Max did was unforgivable, unacceptable and just wrong. Definitely disappointing and a step too far.
Anyone arguing the other side is simply just a tool.
I defend Max a lot, as I think he's an incredibly talented driver and I enjoy his driving style. I also defend his attitude regularly, as I'm not an idiot (like many) and can appreciate that many elite sportsman are egotistical etc. Despite all of that, what Max did was unforgivable, unacceptable and just wrong. Definitely disappointing and a step too far.
Anyone arguing the other side is simply just a tool.
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I always try to look at it from the other side and play devil's advocate but I'm struggling this time with what Max did. As far as dick moves go, that's definitely up there.
Max already has left a legacy that no F1 driver in the past present or future will ever beat, or even want to beat.
The most arrogant, petulant, nasty, aggressive, dangerous driver, in the history of the sport.
Caporegime
Well, there's a thing:
Social media fans are hardly the most important metric for a driver but this presumably reflects a sharp drop in his "brand value" and thus outside F1 earnings and his promotional value to Red Bull. It'll probably blow over, but coming so close to the end of the season, it'll taint the whole off-season for him.
Social media fans are hardly the most important metric for a driver but this presumably reflects a sharp drop in his "brand value" and thus outside F1 earnings and his promotional value to Red Bull. It'll probably blow over, but coming so close to the end of the season, it'll taint the whole off-season for him.
Soooo.... He'd become Catholic Horner?
Was still a tool at Ferrari... Just a smaller one.
the only one going round in circles is you ignoring every other point raised but continue to spout the same, all of your replies are identical.
Agree with this completely and before anyone jumps on their high horse that I am now saying I dont support his actions, I have not once in this thread said I am happy with his actions, but have tried to give reasons as to why he did such a thing, rather than let the Lewis fan base have their way with, hes just a dirty driving ******.
boringggggggg
100% agree. Outside of this year and next year, he'll still be the hottest property in F1, if anyone think's he still to this day, isnt the hottest property in F1, you need a brain scan.
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