Breaking News:- Another Police woman Shot

Mulder said:
The police in Britain overwhelmingly don't want to be armed. It's pretty simple really, arm the police and gun crime will increase more proportionately. Arming the police will just put them in more danger.
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taliesyn said:
We have neither the resources nor the facilities for general arming of the police either.
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Actually, HM Govt. has purchased 100,000 GLOCK M17 9mm handguns from GLOCK (Austria). If prompted, it'd take a minimum of 48 hours to roll out issued handguns to every police officer.

The problem here is not the tools (guns), it's the training and experience with the tools....of which most police officers have absolutely zero experience with firearms.

Put it this way, it costs about £300 for a 9mm handgun for one officer, yet to train that one officer to professional standards could cost upwards of £1million per officer.

It costs the british taxpayer over £2.5 million to train one SAS soldier to professional standard. Equipment and logistics are, obviously, extra. So imagine what it'd end up costing to train every british bobby in the use of firearms? Most coppers would have to go back to the academy.

Armed officers work better in places like America and continental Europe, both of which have a ready firearms culture (especially America). Most people in the UK haven't even SEEN a gun, least of all used one.
 
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ben_j_davis said:
Dont be stupid, arming the police is the worse thing to do. They would end up killing more innocent people. Even the small number of specially trained police have managed to kill quite a number of unarmed peeps. Take America, all the police are armed, has that stopped gun related crime or stopped people getting killed. NO.
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Will u stop looking at Americas problems :rolleyes:
Every one knows there are a lot of shootings over there but most people are also aloud to own guns because its in there constitution.

Why wont u look at some of the statistics that we have in Australia. Our cops carry gun and we dont really have any gun crime down here compared to other places.
Stop looking at the worst possible place to look and start looking at over countrys and how an armed police force is effective.
 
cheets64 said:
Give cops guns.

Fight fire with fire, the only people who will be willing to shoot police are the bad guys.
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Two police officers getting shot in the last 6 months is hardly a reason to arm all police with weapons is it? Arming police will only result in criminals arming themselves as well. Personally, i don't fancy being caught up in a shootout in the middle of town!

It just isn't the answer.
 
fozzybear said:
Two police officers getting shot in the last 6 months is hardly a reason to arm all police with weapons is it? Arming police will only result in criminals arming themselves as well. Personally, i don't fancy being caught up in a shootout in the middle of town!

It just isn't the answer.
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Whats all this about Criminals arming themselves, THEY ALREADY ARE.
 
Cueball said:
Evidence?
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Although I'm not Mulder :) - see here

Cueball said:
Actually, HM Govt. has purchased 100,000 GLOCK M17 9mm handguns from GLOCK (Austria). If prompted, it'd take a minimum of 48 hours to roll out issued handguns to every police officer.
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Cueball said:
The problem here is not the tools (guns), it's the training and experience with the tools....of which most police officers have absolutely zero experience with firearms.

Put it this way, it costs about £300 for a 9mm handgun for one officer, yet to train that one officer to professional standards could cost upwards of £1million per officer.

It costs the british taxpayer over £2.5 million to train one SAS soldier to professional standard. Equipment and logistics are, obviously, extra. So imagine what it'd end up costing to train every british bobby in the use of firearms? Most coppers would have to go back to the academy.
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Which is precisely why I said that we don't have the resources nor the facilities.

Armed police numbers are actually declining at the moment, and I can't blame them.
 
cheets64 said:
Whats all this about Criminals arming themselves, THEY ALREADY ARE.
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I meant they'll arm themselves further in response to the police arming themselves!

I can understand your knee-jerk reaction to this shooting but the fact is that the number of shootings apparently fell by 74% last year.

Oh, and talk your caps lock off. I don't take kindly to being shouted at! :rolleyes:
 
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fozzybear said:
I can understand your knee-jerk reaction to this shooting but the fact is that the number of shootings apparently fell by 74% last year.
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BBCi page on this figure. Sort of takes the wind out of the sails of the OMFG!!! the worlds about to end in a storm of gun crime crowd
 
Police Officer Shot In Nottingham

The debate over whether cops should be routinely armed or better equipped that they currently are will be reignited so soon after PC Sharon Beshenivsky was murdered in cold blood and her colleague injured in the same incident.

23 year old probationary officer Rachael Bown was hit in the stomach while responding to a burglary call after challenging an intruder who then drew a firearm and shot her.

Full story here.

The current status quo is unacceptable. They either need to be armed should they wish to be armed, given and trained in the use of Taser or diamond hard sentences need to be handed out and I mean 10 years minimum for possession of the firearm alone, new legislation to be considered concerning gang membership and armed crime and the crazy idea of building more prisons if they are full to accomodate this.

23 year old female shot like this ...... it makes me sick, angry and disgusted with the so called ' justice ' system and the failures of it !

I wish her all the best in her recovery.
 
cheets64 said:
Whats all this about Criminals arming themselves, THEY ALREADY ARE.
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Amen ! Someone realises this.

It is FRIGHTENING what is on Britain's streets now. A Kalashnikov assault rifle can be bought for as little as £500 on the illegal market. This weapon will cut through plate steel at a reasonable range. It will not be stopped by police issue body armour, unless you are talking about specialist tac teams.

Pistols - automatics and revolvers, Uzi's, ex Soviet Bloc weaponry .... you name it and it is on the streets of this country. Criminals are and have been arming themselves for a long time now with hardcore weapons and firepower.
 
It is a terrible crime and I hope that the officers get better soon but I'm not so sure all or a large majority of police officers should carry firearms. Two officers shot recently and then there is a sudden call for them to all to be armed with guns. I can certainly agree with stronger sentences and the issuing of some other kind of defence to officers such as tasers.

The only reason I'm really against mass armament of the police is because it will put a huge amount of guns on to the street. I don’t know what the figures are for the actual amount of illegal firearms in the UK, or indeed how many police officers there are. But arming them all puts a huge amount of guns on the streets. These could easily go missing or be taken from the officers in a scuffle and then used against them.

I think more could be done to restrict the ownership of guns and the illegal import of guns into and out of the UK. I don’t know how plausible this is or have any ideas on how it can be done. I just feel that arming all of the police officers in the UK should be a last resort.

My Brother is in the police, he doesn’t want anything to do with guns, and if he were forced/required to be armed he might even leave unless he could be placed in a position where he wouldn’t have to use a gun. I know people aren’t going to share my views but that’s just my 2p’s worth.
 
Some of the comments on here are laughable.

Arming cops will put more guns in circulation? Uh, only with the cops. Unless the cops are the ones commiting the crimes than the criminals are not going to have any moe guns available to them than they do now.

As for arming the police and the criminals will arm-up? The cops in the states are armed with shotguns, pistols and some with rifles. The criminals are still using pistols and shotguns. I think there has been one major case of automtic gun fire at the Bank of America but guess what! they would have used those guns regardless and it was only the use of armed police that they wre brought down.

I agree though, British police as a whole should not be armed. I have seen and experianced British police and do not trust them to use firearms in a safe manor. I dont think the mentality is there yet. Not just anyone can use a firearm with confidence and precision and I never saw that in British cops.

Defintly need to up-armor though. Bullet-proof vests are not THAT heavy and should be able to be worn by even the smallest police officers. Bullet proof vests with the Level III plate in them would provide stab proofing as well because IIRC a normal bullet-proof vest is not a good blade stopper. I dont really wanna test it out on mine though.
 
surely the police having guns and been trained to use them would make some of these criminals think twice about using a gun

at the moment any maniac criminal knows they can wave a gun around and the first police to arrive cant do anything to stop them.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
I hope that wasn't a dig at the shooting at Stockwell tube station ?
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So what if it was?

Noticed the comment above about "how the police treat the shootings of their own differently" - Yeah, its pathetic.
 
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