If I was Ferrari I would be worried. They are on their 2nd race with the blown diffuser, running at the circuit which really favours that design and yet are over .7s behind the RBR and barely .1 ahead of a car which is more at home on slow corners and fast straights. Their 2nd driver only just made it into 7th ahead of a Williams and is behind one of the Mercs.
British Grand Prix 2010, Silverstone Circuit - Race 10/19
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If I was Ferrari I would be worried. They are on their 2nd race with the blown diffuser, running at the circuit which really favours that design and yet are over .7s behind the RBR and barely .1 ahead of a car which is more at home on slow corners and fast straights. Their 2nd driver only just made it into 7th ahead of a Williams and is behind one of the Mercs.
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Using the Alonso whinging barometer I think they must be...
Are you serious!? What I expect is that Vettel, having broken his own wing, would have to revert to the old one. Why should Webber suffer?
There's a world of difference between having a single wing available from the outset and having to decide who gets it, in which case championship position is a good method, and having one for each driver. In this latter case, if either driver breaks his wing then that's his problem - forcing the other driver to give his up would only be acceptable if he was no longer a real factor in the championship. RBR seem to want to make out that Vettel is a mile ahead of Webber in the championship, rather than the 12 points he actually is.
They can change the chassis without penalty if the car is not in parc ferme conditions. Also they will need to use the same gearbox. They can change the engine as long again, as it's not parc ferme conditions.
As for the spare car being banned... They all have enough parts to build at least one entire car. IIRC McLaren last year changed both chassis at Singapore overnight last year when they has problems with KERS and the wiring was embedded in the chassis.
Red Bull will have a spare chassis there. It's not worth their while turning up without one in case of a serious accident.
Absolutely. They both had it on FP3 and Vettel was faster with it. They're a team. You don't give the faster car to the slower driver when you're fighting for the championship. Given how few points the last few championships have been won by, every point counts.
I'd also put more blame at the feet of Red Bull themselves for only having 2 wings available at a team where every move they make is being scrutinised for bias.
Also - looking at the way the wing failed, he didn't break it. I'd go with manufacturing or QC error. If Vettel broke the wing it wouldn't have still been attached to the nose box. The nose came away from the chassis.
With regards to Massa, the fight and will to win seems to have been knocked out of him and it would appear that he is now merely making up the numbers. You shouldn't measure Ferrari's ultimate pace based on Massa's peformance.
Alonso is in 3rd position, ie. the best of the rest of the field. For Ferrari that is an excellent position. Only the RBR cars (which are unbeatable in qualifying), are ahead of Alonso. For Alonso, this is as good a result as he could've hoped for.
If Ferrari should be worried, then the rest of the field may as well give up on this year and start working exclusively on the 2011 car.
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Taa for the clarification.
What I failed to make clear was the the ready to roll spare car as was common in the 90s is no more. A team would have to be insane to turn up to a fly away race without a spare chassis.
So any ideas why Webber is in Luscious Liz rather than Chassis #2?
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Source?
Considering they are not allowed to change the design of the Tub in any way, i find it hard to believe Webbers is lighter.
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/cooper-great-day-for-red-bull-tarnished//P2/
You could make 10 chassis from the same moulds and they'll all weigh different amounts. Not by much, but as it's handmade and it weighs around 70kg, they'll never be the same.
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So the difference is moot, there wont be much more than a kg difference.
Thats rubbish, they had 2, 1 was given to Vettel and 1 to Webber, Vettel proceed to break his, whether it was his fault or not is irrelevant his wing was broke and thats that, he should have used the old spec wing, after all Horner claimed the new wing give no advantage over the old one.
As for the new floor, its obvious they have modified the heat shielding under the exhausts by making it thinner and lighter and Mark is the test bed to see if it burns through over a race distance
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**** Red Full. What happened to JB? I missed the qualifying...
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Grid 14th.
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Why? How?
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nothing spectacular, just lacked time to set it up properly after practically loosing out on 2 practice sessions of setup time because the team reverted the car back to the non blown diffuser design.
i was damn impressed with lewis, may only be 4th but considering the circumstances its a good showing, shame we didnt get to see his lap, cant see anything other than mechanical failures or crashes upsetting the top 3 though, unless lewis can pull a blinder, but i'll not be holding my breath.
mclaren on serious damage limitation this weekend.
just got to hope for a repeat of turkey
i was damn impressed with lewis, may only be 4th but considering the circumstances its a good showing, shame we didnt get to see his lap, cant see anything other than mechanical failures or crashes upsetting the top 3 though, unless lewis can pull a blinder, but i'll not be holding my breath.
mclaren on serious damage limitation this weekend.
just got to hope for a repeat of turkey
As for the new floor, its obvious they have modified the heat shielding under the exhausts by making it thinner and lighter and Mark is the test bed to see if it burns through over a race distance
That's cruel.
To be fair, Webber's car seems to be equipped with the more advanced under carriage. No doubt Vettel will have this for the next race.
Soldato
Well the weather is looking interesting, quite a few rain clouds in the sky!
With regards to Massa, the fight and will to win seems to have been knocked out of him and it would appear that he is now merely making up the numbers. You shouldn't measure Ferrari's ultimate pace based on Massa's peformance.
Alonso is in 3rd position, ie. the best of the rest of the field. For Ferrari that is an excellent position. Only the RBR cars (which are unbeatable in qualifying), are ahead of Alonso. For Alonso, this is as good a result as he could've hoped for.
If Ferrari should be worried, then the rest of the field may as well give up on this year and start working exclusively on the 2011 car.
Best of the rest isn't a good result though. Even using a magic blown diffuser from which they couldn't believe the improvements in downforce it gave they are still 0.7s behind RBR. More importantly they are barely ahead of a car which isn't running this system and which isn't ideally suited to the track either.
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