British Grand Prix 2010, Silverstone Circuit - Race 10/19

I do find it amusing that people are shocked about RBR's favouritsm towards a single driver.

At the end of the day Vettel is their No.1. They have have made this clear in their actions, without ever using the words, "Vettel is our lead driver."

F1 fans must remember that RBR is a multi-million pound (per year) operation. To simply leave the championship to chance would be very irresponsible. The worst thing that can happen to RBR is that their 2 drivers finish 2nd and 3rd (like McLaren in 2007, when we witnessed Ron Dennis trying to play happy families - had McLaren listened to Alonso, they would've won the title that year).

RBR are doing the right thing and ensuring that Webber does not take any points away from Vettel. This will give them the best chance at the title.

F1 fans shouldnt feel bad for McLaren though. They have an upgraded package and decided to test it on Friday and then switched to the old car for Saturday. To effectively lose Friday's set-up time and make 4th on the grid, based only on FP3 is unbelievable. Seriously guys, what McLaren achieved today is close to impossible. Button in 14th is about right. Hamilton truly is the fastest driver in F1...bar none. By consistently being 0.2s - 0.3s per lap slower than Hamilton, I have gained a lot of respect for Button, as that isn't easy. I expected Button to be consistently 0.5s+/lap slow. I'd love to see Alonso as Hamilton's team-mate, if only to see how Alonso repsonds to having someone consistently faster than him, in the same car.

IMO, McLaren, should've stuck with the new package, in order to test the new car, during the race and be competitive in the next GP. The problem for McLaren was that Vodafone have spent huge amounts of money hyping up McLaren at the British GP. My belief is that this was the main reason they decided to ditch the new package and go with a known car, to get the best possible result at the British GP. They will have to go through this whole process again in the next GP, which sucks.

Somebody above suggested that Jenson should start in the pitlane, with the new package - I would do exactly this. If McLaren can get some good data on the new package, they will definitely be fast in the next GP. You only have to look at Ferrari - they struggled in the previous GP, but are the 2nd best team in Silverstone - exactly how I predicted.

Somebody earlier asked why Webber re-signed for RBR. Very simple. They have the best car by a country mile. He would much rather be driving for RBR who can almost guarantee 2nd place, than be driving for Virgin or any of the other teams who may have a seat available (for 2011) and be struggling to finish in 10th place.

McLaren fans shouldnt be disheartened. RBR also have a big update coming up, so expect them to take a step backwards when this happens. By then I expect McLaren to close the gap (almost overnight).

IMO Ferrari/Alonso are the team/driver to watch. They have now settled on a sustained, incremental update program, which has worked so well for McLaren; so no big updates for them. Expect Ferrari/Alonso to gradually rise up the WDC table.

For me, Vettel is like the joker of the pack. I can see him winning every single remaining GP and winning the title by a country mile. I can also see him crashing out, breaking down, making poor strategy calls and getting involved in incidents... to finish this year's WDC in 6th place.
 
Surely its time for the FIA to put a steward in the garage to ensure equality ala maca 07, these DBR team shenanigans are getting a bit silly.

Surely though a team has the right to do what it feels is best, for the team?

Remember, if RBR win both titles this year, they will have extra money - both in prize money and sponsor ship money. Sponsors will pay more to RBR if they win the title, than if they finish 2nd.

Also remember that RBR employ many people. Management must do what is right for the company and ensure that they remain a profitable outfit and are able to spend more money next year, on their team/car. By winning the title, they shall also be able to increase salaries.

By giving Vettel preferential treatment, they are increasing the chances of winning the title AND keeping their employees, safely in jobs. Also, keep in mind that RBR employees get bonus payments - so if they win, they get more money in their own pockets. Its better to have Vettel finishing the WDC in 1st place than having both their drivers finish 2nd and 3rd.

RBR have to do what is right for them....not what is right for the fans.
 
The idea of Button starting from the pit lane with the new package on again... is sheer genius. They should do this. Button needs to take one for the team here. End of the day his WDC hopes are dead anyway if McLaren can't get their blown diffuser concept to work in time for the next race.

I'd echo Sunama's comments about LH's qually lap. It was stunning considering the car he was provided to do it with.
 
I just really cant understand why horner simply didnt say 'sorry guys the new wing had a unexplained failure, you're both racing the old one'.


seems so simple especially now they are at a track that couldnt have been designed any better for them.

TBH i am surprised the FIA haven't had a regulation stating that both cars entered must be the same.
 
Hmmm, so let me get this right...
  • The RBR crash was Webber's fault, not Vettel's.
  • A chassis that wasn't good enough for Vettel is fine to give to Webber.
  • Vettel's front wing broke (possibly his fault due to loving the kerbs?) so they gave him Webber's one, putting Webber back on the old design which he hasn't driven all weekend.

And Red-Bull aren't favouring Vettel? :mad:


Regarding McLaren, I'm also in the Button starting from the pits with the new Aero camp!
 
They fixed the chassis, and apparently Vettel has ran one of Webbers repaired chassis before anyway, the media has made a point of this when it's probably just standard procedure.

If I was the team boss, based on the numbers alone I would've let Vettel use the new wing, it's not like it's his fault it broke so why let Webber keep it instead?

I don't see why Button should start from the pits when he has a chance of getting some decent points.
 
Mclaren wouldnt be able to do a lot though, they wont be able to adjust the set-up during the race and if there really was a overheating issue on any component it would probably just result in a DNF.
 
And Red-Bull aren't favouring Vettel? :mad:

It's pretty obvious to everyone now that they are despite them continuing to deny it, they won't admit to favouritism because it'll discredit Vettel's achievement should he go on to win the title.

Webber has been more than a match for Vettel it's a shame the team are resorting to manufacturing a champion rather than having him win it on merit.
 
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How long does it takes to produce a chassis?

Longer than the 10 days they had between Valencia and Silverstone. Realistically a couple of weeks, and they'd likely make more than one in a batch.

Given that there's little in it between the two of them I doubt there's much wrong with the repaired Chassis. Sometimes a driver doesn't like the feeling from a chassis. I seem to remember Prost got quite picky when at Ferrari.
 
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Mclaren wouldnt be able to do a lot though, they wont be able to adjust the set-up during the race and if there really was a overheating issue on any component it would probably just result in a DNF.

They would simply turn Button's race at Silverstone into a glorified testing session.

Had this not been the British GP, I'm convinced that McLaren would've soldiered on and continued with the new car, in order to speed up development/understanding of the new car, which in turn would've held them in good stead for the next GP. The fact that they have reverted back to the old car, means that they will have to test the new car out at the new GP, effectively placing them 1 race behind in their scheduled development program.

Having a race weekend compromised when using a major new update for the first time, is part of the game - all teams know this. To go back to the old car makes no sense from a development/racing perspective.

The only reason I can think of (for McLaren switching back to the old car, after spending the whole Friday testing the new car) is to satisfy Vodafone, who have spend £millions on advertising, in the build up to the British GP - the last thing that Vodafone would want is for Button and/or Hamilton coming in for multiple pit stops or finishing down the field, due to running a car which hasn't been tested extensively.

I can't help feel that tomorrow's GP is going to be a borefest.
 
Longer than the 10 days they had between Valencia and Silverstone.

I see. So, this would mean that they should have a brand new chassis available for Webber, for the next race...correct?

Realistically a couple of weeks, and they'd likely make more than one in a batch.

They do need to make a few though, as RBR have no spare chassis available. Most teams, generally have a couple of chassis in reserve, just in case. Allegedly RBR had none (except for Vettel's cast off, which Webber is now using).
 
Sometimes a driver doesn't like the feeling from a chassis. I seem to remember Prost got quite picky when at Ferrari.

I understand. A lot of the time its a mental issue, more than anything.

Prost was a VERY naughty boy when he partnered Mansell, involved in all sorts of shenanigans.

The story goes that if Mansell was faster in practise sessions, Prost would ask his mechanics to switch chassis. If Mansell would go faster still (in Prosts old car), Prost would then switch chassis, again, before qualifying or the race.

How I miss those days ...

I'm a great believer that a driver should use all the tricks in the book, to gain an advantage and I'm dissapointed that this is seems to be a lost "skill" among the current generation of drivers. I blame MS a lot for this as he didnt use enough of these tricks and as such the newer drivers who looked up to MS were unable to copy/learn these tricks. MS's only trick was to ram his competitors of the track, which lacked the subtlety of Prost or the boldness of Senna (when he told the world's press that if Prost tried to overtake him at the Japanese GP, he would ram him).

It may also have something to do with the fact that we lost Mansell, Prost and Senna in the space of 2 years.
 
I see. So, this would mean that they should have a brand new chassis available for Webber, for the next race...correct?

Difficult call. It's highly likely there's nowt wrong with Liz and it's Vettel having an attack of the mentalists.

From what I can work out RBR manufactured 4 chassis.

1- Winter Testing, then Vettel (Turkey onwards) - "Randy Mandy"
2 -Webber (Bahrain)
3- Vettel (Bahrain - Monaco) - "Luscious Liz", Webber (GB)
4 -Webber (Australia - Valencia)

So what happened to Chassis 2?
 
I understand. A lot of the time its a mental issue, more than anything.

Prost was a VERY naughty boy when he partnered Mansell, involved in all sorts of shenanigans.

The story goes that if Mansell was faster in practise sessions, Prost would ask his mechanics to switch chassis. If Mansell would go faster still (in Prosts old car), Prost would then switch chassis, again, before qualifying or the race.

How I miss those days ...

Exactly. Prost kept pulling all the tricks, but Nige didn't really care. He'd drive the wheels off a golf cart if he thought he had a chance of winning.

It's more difficult to pull those tricks nowadays as IIRC they can't switch cars once the weekend has started, which is a moot point since the spare car is effectively banned now anyway on cost grounds.
 
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