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Webber is a smart guy, you don't go from being quick in 2010, to very slow (in comparison to last year!) in such a short space of time, I can understand his feelings.
British Grand Prix 2011, Silverstone Circuit - Race 9/19
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Hang on second - hasn't Webber put up some of the fastest race times this year? It is only his ultimate qualifying pace which has let him down. Once in clean air, during the races, he has been as quick as Vettel.
Perhaps it is only his qualifying setup which is being restricted?
It's not just that though – He's set the fastest lap time in quite a few races but hasn't been able to sustain it for the whole race.
I have no idea why people get so hung up on fastest laps, especially in this era of tyre conservation and running at a pre determined pace rather than push push push. Push even slightly too hard from the pre calculated best method and you end up like hamilton. Flying for 6-8 laps then pitting early for tyres.
Vettel has one fastest lap this year. It really wouldn't matter if Webber had all the fastest laps if he can't pull it off on saturday and win the race on sunday.
Vettel is racing smart. Fastest lap gives you nothing.
Vettel has one fastest lap this year. It really wouldn't matter if Webber had all the fastest laps if he can't pull it off on saturday and win the race on sunday.
Vettel is racing smart. Fastest lap gives you nothing.
heres it on the f1 site
http://www.formula1.com/video/race_edits/
no radio chatter :/
it needed more from vettels messed up pitstop and hamilton about fuel saving and webber at the end.
although when webber goes to overtake vettel you can clearly hear him lift of the throttle as he was about to pass now.
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I recon that is because Horner is on the radio at that point telling him to back off.
So why are they going along the lines of Webber ignored the order and couldn't pass him anyway?
Surely if Mark had backed out of a geniune moment to get passed he would rather that story be banded about than ignoring a team order and failing anyway?
I guess we might find out more at the next race
Apparently he did for the first 3 or 4 times he was told to hold back.
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because he knew goldenboy wouldn't yield and he'd get all of the flak from Red Bull over any incident.
Really?
I remember Horner saying the clash in Turkey last year was all 'goldenboys' fault.
Oh no, sorry, I forgot, RBR are all biast towards Vettel now aren't they. Sorry, I take that back. Yeah, Webber knew he would be sacked by RBR and blamed for everything, thats why he backed out....
The oldest trick in the book
LOL. Yeah.
But, if a driver were to use it, is there any way that the team could prove otherwise? The driver could always use the trick, and on his in lap, snap the radio cord to make sure the radio doesnt work when the car is checked by the team, later on.
My feeling was that at that point in the race, Webber was faster than Vettel and lifted off when he had the opportunity to take a run on Vettel. Perhaps someone should've radioed, "Seb, Mark is faster than YOU. Did you understand that?"
Correct me if I am wrong, but immediately after the race, RBR management (this includes Horner) suggested that Webber was to blame for the incident. After the media back lash in the proceeding few days, RBR started to back-track and commented that perhaps Webber wasn't totally at fault.
...and that is the exact reason that Horner gave, when he was asked why he ordered Webber to hold station.
I think they've just been giving Vettel something extra with the engine mapping in qualifying to get him on pole, couple that with Webber's ongoing kers issues (conspiracy or not) as the start of the season.
I'll be keeping a keen eye on qualifying from now on, Webber seems to have come good in qualifying at the exact time the rule changes came in, if he's as strong in the next few qualifying sessions then it points to foul play for me.
Am I the only who thinks ignoring a number of messages to not overtake, and then bottling out when he had a real chance to overtake is actually worse than just not trying and doing what the team asked to start with?
If your going to ignore the team and try and overtake, don't chicken out at the last minute.
If your going to ignore the team and try and overtake, don't chicken out at the last minute.
Yeah but if the roles were reversed and Vettel made a move on Webber and they collided Webber would get the blame for that too for not yielding (Turkey), so he can't win really as the team are behind Vettel whatever happens.