British Grand Prix 2015, Silverstone - Race 9/19

The risk they have is that they are not demonstrating any ability to progress, so how long until Button and Alonso are no longer fooled and take themselves elsewhere?
 
Skeeter said:
The risk they have is that they are not demonstrating any ability to progress, so how long until Button and Alonso are no longer fooled and take themselves elsewhere?
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I've moved beyond exasperation and onto anger. Anger that they've effectively removed two world champions from competitive F1 racing, one a Brit and the other one of the best drivers out there. With their total lack of progress it's looking very possible that both could spend the rest of their careers there unless they can find a way out. Button may be trapped as he'd have agreed to anything to get the contract for this year but I'd be very surprised if Alonso didn't have a performance get-out clause. Question is where could he go?
 
This track limits stuff is farcical. Not the enforcement of the rules - that I totally agree with - but that so many drivers seem utterly incapable of staying on the track. They've had it far too easy for too long with lax enforcement of the track limits and huge tarmac run-offs. Force them to stay within the lines and suddenly it's a major challenge for them.
 
Vertigo1 said:
This track limits stuff is farcical. Not the enforcement of the rules - that I totally agree with - but that so many drivers seem utterly incapable of staying on the track. They've had it far too easy for too long with lax enforcement of the track limits and huge tarmac run-offs. Force them to stay within the lines and suddenly it's a major challenge for them.
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True, but surely the root cause is the fact they have been lowed to get away with it for so long that it's become 2nd nature.

Its so easy to remove with a strip of fake grass, but for years the FIA have done nothing.
 
We're still getting the same excuses here, though "we're not going to be great here... but we've got an update for the next race, then we'll start to move forward".

Problem is they've said that at almost every single freaking race weekend. I have no idea why anyone has believed them since 2-3 races into the season. Since preseason we're 'told' the Honda is a beast it just needs to be unlocked, but there is zero basis for this except someone at Mclaren saying this.

We are very likely to see the Honda going Ferrari like next year, compressor/turbine off the back, mgu-h given way more space in the V. I'm convinced the engine design is simply bad and they need to make major changes to the base design to become competitive.

How come Ericsson didn't have his Q1 time deleted then considering he was well over out of the final corner. They said turn 9 was a definite time deletion but they also said they were looking at the final corner.
 
Duke said:
Lack of testing is killing them.
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They had just as much chance to get it right before the season started as any of the others. None of the other 3 manufacturers were onto 5th engines before even reaching the mid season last year.
 
Vertigo1 said:
McLaren you mean? Sorry that doesn't wash any more. A team with that much experience and money (same goes for Honda) should have made significant progress by now, even without testing. They've made none.
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They brought a WORSE engine, massively worse engine as an 'upgrade' to Canada. Engine development is to a large degree unlimited, they can upgrade any part of it for reliability reasons and major parts of it using tokens. In terms of design/testing, they can make as many different engine parts as they want and run as many engines as they want on dynos. It should be relatively easy to make a better engine on a dyno and bring a better engine to track.

There is no excuse for that, they are making bad upgrades and within being allowed to update almost any part of it for reliability, they've managed to go backwards. Ferrari have made improvements through upgrades which didn't suddenly make the car worse, Mercedes brought upgrades which improved the engine, Renault have also made reliability upgrades which are improving.

Unlimited testing doesn't magically defeat bad engineering and engine development is massively more open than people like to pretend it is.
 
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