Poll: British Grand Prix 2021, Silverstone - Race 10/23

[Lakeland]

It’s also clear that Hamilton slowed down otherwise leclerc wouldn’t have been able to overtake so easily.

 

[Basher]

I think Lewis was lucky not to be disqualified for that overtaking manoeuvre in the first lap. As far as I could see he went for it when he had no clear path to overtake and was certain to collide with Versteppen.

Probably best you watch a replay, because that isn’t what happened.

 

[silvagti]

My understanding is that during a corner if the attacker turning in will result in their front wheel clipping the rear of the car in front at the apex then it's their responsibility to back off as the way isn't clear and the defender ahead will be in front at the apex.

I disagree with the analysis of the sky sports presenter. Be interesting to see if Red Bull appeal that decision.

Hamilton drove will to come back from that time penalty so maybe he deserves the win ultimately though! I suspect Versteppen will feel robbed however.

 

[Mr Jack]

Max has a history of over aggressive moves and has been lucky not to have more of them end in collision. Perhaps he will learn from this.

 

[andy_mk3]

Max has a history of over aggressive moves and has been lucky not to have more of them end in collision. Perhaps he will learn from this.

I agree he is aggressive, and I think Lewis has had enough of giving into that side of Max, so he put he car in a gap and went for it.

 

[this_is_gav]

On the replays I have seen, Hamilton is attempting to take a line towards the apex and it isnt until Max steers into him and there is contact that he runs wide with understeer. The videos of Max's steering wheel inputs are damning. And let's not forget Max tried to squeeze Lewis into the wall just before the corner........

Verstappen wasn't turning into Hamilton, he eased on the steering to allow a little more room then turned back into the corner. Verstappen left plenty of room.

Hamilton didn't get anywhere near the apex. If he was tighter to the inside then he should have allowed for that.

 

[Zenith]

Max needs to learn that playing the aggressive "Senna" card everytime won't always make the other driver blink and back out, especially while Max has the championship to lose. How Lewis got a penalty from Max's actions is rather bizarre. Max went to turn it, saw Lewis and straightened his wheel, then turned in again instead of backing out when he was on the outside of the corner with plenty of track to his left.

I think the penalty for Lewis was slightly harsh but I can understand why it was given. However as you say I think it just showed Max’s naivety, given the massive lead in the championship he had why not give more space and he’d have overtaken back later on I’m sure. It was a 50/50 corner but one of the drivers had a lot more to lose than the other.

 

[GR63]

My understanding is that during a corner if the attacker turning in will result in their front wheel clipping the rear of the car in front at the apex then it's their responsibility to back off as the way isn't clear and the defender ahead will be in front at the apex.

I disagree with the analysis of the sky sports presenter. Be interesting to see if Red Bull appeal that decision.

Hamilton drove will to come back from that time penalty so maybe he deserves the win ultimately though! I suspect Versteppen will feel robbed however.

If you saw Toto's interview and heard what his email said the rules say... well maybe you might consider again

Interesting a NEUTRAL, Otmar from Aston Martin, said 100% Racing Incident and no penalty, otherwise people just WONT overtake

 

[this_is_gav]

Interesting a NEUTRAL, Otmar from Aston Martin, said 100% Racing Incident and no penalty, otherwise people just WONT overtake

Who supply the majority of their parts?

 

[Joxeon]

2 drivers going at it with 100% commitment, isn't that what we want to see in motor racing even if it sometimes results in an accident.

 

[Malt_Vinegar]

I think Lewis was lucky not to be disqualified for that overtaking manoeuvre in the first lap. As far as I could see he went for it when he had no clear path to overtake and was certain to collide with Versteppen.

Nonsense.
These incidents happen, he took a penalty for it
Max might have fared a little better had he let it go and then stayed in the fight, as Leclerc did.

I think the penalty for Lewis was slightly harsh but I can understand why it was given. However as you say I think it just showed Max’s naivety, given the massive lead in the championship he had why not give more space and he’d have overtaken back later on I’m sure. It was a 50/50 corner but one of the drivers had a lot more to lose than the other.

Hamilton used his experience today, I agree that Max was very naive.
Lewis' biggest chance to win today was letting Max's aggressive style cause contact. Had he avoided the contacts he could have easily taken the race to Lewis later, and certainly finished the day with a wider points gap than he has now.
Max should know this now, and hopefully learn from it, he has to.

 

[GR63]

Who supply the majority of their parts?

I think thats paranoia to suggest he's biased cos they BUY parts from that team

 

[Malt_Vinegar]

I think thats paranoia to suggest he's biased cos they BUY parts from that team

Not really... It's how these things work...

 

[mmj_uk]

For me the Leclerc move is what Hamilton was probably trying to do the first time around. He was on the kerb and left room for both cars. With Verstappen he got nowhere near the kerb and just carried too much speed in, understeering into Verstappen.

Perhaps Leclerc should have tried to squeeze him into the inside barrier like Verstappen did? I mean as an armchair critic who's never drove an F1 car around a 180mph corner I bet it's dead easy to make a perfect apex when you have a car pushing you over to the extreme inside of the track, blocking your view of the corner and any track side braking signs you have.

Hamilton did everything he could to avoid a collision, from putting his then faster car through the eye of the needle when Verstappen squeezed him towards the extreme inside to eventually lifting off when it became clear that Verstappen was still trying to make the apex himself. At what point do you ask perhaps Verstappen should have done more to avoid a collision? there's a massive run off on the outside of the corner so it's not like he would be heavily compromised if he couldn't make the corner around the outside.

 

[this_is_gav]

I think thats paranoia to suggest he's biased cos they BUY parts from that team

This is the team that waved Hamilton passed Ocon at Monaco in the past so as not to hurt his race. They could have kept him behind had they wanted to without losing time themselves (this was Monaco), but there must have been an agreement in place as Mercedes wouldn't have pitted Hamilton knowing he'd come out behind a competitor.

I'm not saying in a head-to-head (like Baku might have been) that Aston Martin wouldn't have go, of course they would (like Sakhir, until Russell's puncture), but they're certainly not going to slam the team which they have a technical partnership with.

Perhaps Leclerc should have tried to squeeze him into the inside barrier like Verstappen did? I mean as an armchair critic who's never drove an F1 car around a 180mph corner I bet it's dead easy to make a perfect apex when you have a car pushing you over to the extreme inside of the track, blocking your view of the corner and any track side braking signs you have.

We're hardly talking Schumacher vs Barrichello at Hungary. There wasn't anything wrong in what Verstappen did approachcing Copse. Hamilton went left, then switched to the right - it was his choice to take that tight line.

He's a 7 time champion with 276 starts under him. He should know that if you're pinched to the inside you should back off more in order to leave space for both, not just assume the guy with the better line will disappear.

 

[Oyeee]

Would be happy to see a source.

Well, watch the official highlights and listen to the roar when Max goes off the track and into the barriers.

 

[pacegod]

Max has played chicken one too many times in his career and this time he got bitten.

 

[Parky]

I gave it an 8 based on the good fight that Leclerc put up, the solid recovery from Hamilton and the entertainment that all the drama has brought up. Leclerc I think takes driver of the day for me, led nearly the whole race fending off Hamilton for a good chunk of it, despite having issues of my own. Sainz was unfortunate too with his pitstop, seems like he may have been able to grind out a better result.

As for the crash, pure racing incident in my eyes, Hamilton simply playing it aggressive and going for it, much like Max normally does. They were both out of position numerous times throughout and eventually they both go into a high speed corner near side by side with neither wanting to relent. Sure Hamilton was understeering wide of the apex, but Max does seem to try and cut across and close the door on him after already correcting his steering once. It's just aggressive wheel to wheel racing that we want to see between the two by far and away top guys at the moment, something was bound to give eventually.

Horner throwing his toys out the pram saying it was desperation from Lewis, but if anything the defending was more desperate from Max while it lasted. If that was the other way around Horner would be the first guy on to the race director saying that Hamilton pinched him in the corner and there was nothing Max could do.

Thing is if Max kept wide and Hamilton ran him into the run off then there may have been a penalty anyway. Not only that he'd still be right behind Lewis through the next few bends and all the way down the Hangar straight for another chance back at him, even then there would still be another 51 laps to fight for the lead with second place pretty much a given.

 

[Stanners]

I gave it an 8 based on the good fight that Leclerc put up, the solid recovery from Hamilton and the entertainment that all the drama has brought up. Leclerc I think takes driver of the day for me, led nearly the whole race fending off Hamilton for a good chunk of it, despite having issues of my own. Sainz was unfortunate too with his pitstop, seems like he may have been able to grind out a better result.

As for the crash, pure racing incident in my eyes, Hamilton simply playing it aggressive and going for it, much like Max normally does. They were both out of position numerous times throughout and eventually they both go into a high speed corner near side by side with neither wanting to relent. Sure Hamilton was understeering wide of the apex, but Max does seem to try and cut across and close the door on him after already correcting his steering once. It's just aggressive wheel to wheel racing that we want to see between the two by far and away top guys at the moment, something was bound to give eventually.

Horner throwing his toys out the pram saying it was desperation from Lewis, but if anything the defending was more desperate from Max while it lasted. If that was the other way around Horner would be the first guy on to the race director saying that Hamilton pinched him in the corner and there was nothing Max could do.

Thing is if Max kept wide and Hamilton ran him into the run off then there may have been a penalty anyway. Not only that he'd still be right behind Lewis through the next few bends and all the way down the Hangar straight for another chance back at him, even then there would still be another 51 laps to fight for the lead with second place pretty much a given.

This for me, people want racing until it goes against who they follow or dislike. Horner is an embarrassment though whichever way I look at it.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

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An amazing shot. That’s some speed.