Yeah, he had an MRI scan and stuff but all seems very precautionary.
Poll: British Grand Prix 2021, Silverstone - Race 10/23
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Somehow I don't think so. As much as Max might be an aggressive driver, no one currently on the F1 grid is a malicious driver.
Personally feel it was a racing incident.
But I thought Horner implied they had to have a fundraiser, just so they could build the hospital Max would need to recover?
Soldato
It's the standard procedure for any crash over a certain amount G force. Horner hamming it up that Max has been rushed to hospital didn't help yesterday.
Soldato
Hopefully that’s the case and I hope I’m wrong, but you can see by his tweet he feels hard done by and it wouldn’t surprise me
TBH, the way Horner goes on, he's bringing the sport into disrepute. He's whipping up racism, bad feeling, etc, but pretty much staying only one step away from claiming that Hamilton deliberately tried to kill Verstappen. It's hyperbolic nonsense that benefits no one. It's makes Horner look like a petulant child, and Verstappen look like a baby who can't handle himself like a grown-up. I hope Hamilton takes the title this year, because at least he would be a worthy, humble champion compared to the likes of Verstappen and Horner.
Indeed, Horner is showing very poor leadership (again).
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I wish people would stop quoting that line.
Senna punted Prost off deliberately to win the WDC and used that infamous line to defend his driving. He later admitted that he did it deliberately, so it's nothing more than a zinger.
I get what you're saying but you can't divebomb someone and expect the other driver to get out of the way (not referring to this incident when I say that btw). Unfortunately, Max has always bullied other drivers in to getting out of his way and this time it bit him back. Will he learn from it? Not a chance in hell and if RB and MV do lose the championships to Merc and LH then I fully expect the level of whine to be biblical.
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Too fast? Every season in the last 3 years?
It was a racing incident caused by two drivers trying to make it around a fast corner, at the same time. Was Hamilton at fault? Depends who you ask but you paint him out to be the next Maldonado is laughable. There's a reason why people call him Crashtappen.... and he threatened to headbutt the last journalist to ask him about his driving.
To your point about hitting him hard enough.... Ever tried shoving a stick in to a spinning bike wheel? The contact between the stick and the wheel will be light but the sudden stopping force of the wheel will send you flying. Hamilton tapped Max with his front left.... but a touch at 180mph carries more energy than a slow speed shunt. The transfer of energy is what cracked Hamilton's wheel, not the impact. You've confused (or not understood) this concept.
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As are the (sometimes veiled, sometimes not) accusations of racism from the likes of jonneymendoza against anyone who dares to suggest that Hamilton might not have been entirely blameless...
Soldato
It was an exciting race in the end. Whilst there wasn't a great deal of overtaking, there were some moves for key positions, 2 opening laps to watch the cars jostle for position, and then the suspense around seeing whether Hamilton could catch and pass LeClerc.
As for the collision. On balance I think Lewis deserved the 10 second penalty, but nothing more. It was a little clumsy, he should have kept a tighter line - but he's not 100% at fault here. Either driver could have backed out of the move, both chose not to. I for one am glad that Max has had a reminder that he can't rely on other drivers always backing down from his aggressive driving, this is going to make the rest of the season spicy. As if it wasn't already heated enough between Max and Lewis!
As for the way Christian Horner was making out like Lewis tried to kill Max, and then Copse is a corner you should never attempt a move on. Sod off... He's come across really badly with these statements and looks like an even bigger hypocrite than previously. If the move had played out the other way around, I have zero doubt in my mind he'd be 100% defending Max and stating that Lewis should have backed out as he was on the outside.
As for the collision. On balance I think Lewis deserved the 10 second penalty, but nothing more. It was a little clumsy, he should have kept a tighter line - but he's not 100% at fault here. Either driver could have backed out of the move, both chose not to. I for one am glad that Max has had a reminder that he can't rely on other drivers always backing down from his aggressive driving, this is going to make the rest of the season spicy. As if it wasn't already heated enough between Max and Lewis!
As for the way Christian Horner was making out like Lewis tried to kill Max, and then Copse is a corner you should never attempt a move on. Sod off... He's come across really badly with these statements and looks like an even bigger hypocrite than previously. If the move had played out the other way around, I have zero doubt in my mind he'd be 100% defending Max and stating that Lewis should have backed out as he was on the outside.
Soldato
Your mixed up.
As I posted. It was Hamilton that had the damage that nearly ended his race.
I would trust Lando and Danny Ric who said the same as well as other drivers.
Soldato
Too fast? Every season in the last 3 years?
It was a racing incident caused by two drivers trying to make it around a fast corner, at the same time. Was Hamilton at fault? Depends who you ask but you paint him out to be the next Maldonado is laughable. There's a reason why people call him Crashtappen.... and he threatened to headbutt the last journalist to ask him about his driving.
To your point about hitting him hard enough.... Ever tried shoving a stick in to a spinning bike wheel? The contact between the stick and the wheel will be light but the sudden stopping force of the wheel will send you flying. Hamilton tapped Max with his front left.... but a touch at 180mph carries more energy than a slow speed shunt. The transfer of energy is what cracked Hamilton's wheel, not the impact. You've confused (or not understood) this concept.
Go and read what Merc says.
And yes the last 3 years Hamilton went to fast in to the corners had had this happen.
You do watch F1...don't you?
Soldato
Looking forward to next year when cars have those James Bond DB5 extensions on the wheels. 
(100% racing incident in my view else we might as well scrap the sport)
(100% racing incident in my view else we might as well scrap the sport)
Looking forward to next year when cars have those James Bond DB5 extensions on the wheels.
(100% racing incident in my view else we might as well scrap the sport)
I like it
Soldato
What were the quotes from other drivers ?
Soldato
You keep saying block pass, but this clearly was not that. You cannot block pass at Copse, it's flat out, or very nearly flat out in race spec. For your reference, a block pass is where you out brake your opponent, and have a much lower minimum speed than usual on the apex of the corner, blocking them from getting a switch-back on the corner exit. You can then accelerate out of the corner without the threat of the car behind you having an advantage down the following straight. You'll normally see it happen at mid/low speed corners with long apexes, such as hairpins.
The outside line through Copse, with someone on your inside, is most definitely not the faster line. You're making the corner tighter, you need to slow more to make the angle of the corner. This isn't racing, it's basic physics. If they two hadn't have made contact Max would have had to wait to power out of the corner, letting Hamilton through, or more likely given Max's driving style, kept his foot in it and gone off track maintaining speed, rejoining somewhere near the entry to Maggots.
The overtake Hamilton put on Leclerc shows this exact thing in action.
Soldato
I know exactly what a block pass is. While braking itself would have been minimal (wouldn't have been flat on full fuel with neither on the optimum line), the principle is exactly the same. It didn't become a block pass which is why they collided. Hamilton tried to carry more speed in, but that would only have worked if Verstappen had backed off entering the corner, which he was never likely to do given how tight Hamilton chose to go.
The overtake on Leclerc was completely different in approach on Hamilton's side. Hamilton was on the inside, but Leclerc didn't park in the middle of the road and Hamilton took a completely different line (metres further to the right) and didn't try and over speed into the corner, he used a more standard flowing line, leaving space on the outside for Leclerc. With Verstappen, had it worked, it would have been more like a block pass (trying to stop Verstappen from cutting back), but with Leclerc he executed it totally differently.
Edit: Anyway I think I've said everything I've got to say on the matter. We've all got our own opinions and that's fine.
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Everyone's arguing over A or B and I'm sitting here like 'makes the championship more interesting'.
Verstappen was gonna walk it otherwise.
Verstappen was gonna walk it otherwise.
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If you can't debate sensibly other than "durrr read my linkz" then you need to backup your nonsense. You haven't.
Seriously, what are you going on about. Where did your 3 years straw man come from?
For context...
2015 British grand prix (lap 4) ... Max crashes at farm corner going too fast
2016 Monaco grand prix (lap 25) ... Max crashes at Massenett corner going too fast
2017 Spanish grand prix (lap 1) ... Max damages the car and retires after a collision with Raikkonen at the chichane
2018 Azerbaijan grand prix (lap 12) ... Max crashes at turn 1 by hitting his team mate
2019 Belgium grand prix (lap 1) ... Max crashes at turn 1 by hitting Raikonnen
2020 Tuscany grand prix (lap 1) ... Max is involved in a collision Raikonnen
2020 Bahrain grand prix (lap 1) ... Max tries to avoid Perez and ends up in the gravel
It seems to me that Max hasn't learned, particularly when it's lap 1?
