Poll: British Grand Prix 2021, Silverstone - Race 10/23

[stockhausen]

Max is probably one of the most aggressive drivers here, just in my opinion. He does a great job, of course, but I think we have to find the best balance we can on track with space and respect between one another so we can have good races without colliding.

When I was younger, I was probably as aggressive… well, maybe not as aggressive as Max, but pretty aggressive as a youngster. But I am a lot older now and I know it's a marathon not a sprint, and I have a better view of how to approach my racing.

He has been very aggressive and most of the times I have had to concede and just avoid the incident and live to fight on later in the race.

As you saw yesterday, once he is out in clear air, they are too fast. So, when an opportunity comes, I've got to try and take it. That's what we're out there doing. I'm racing.

I got a great exit out of Turn Seven and was really happy with the dummy. I was able to go to the left and then go to the inside and get up that gap. Fortunately, he wasn't able to close it. But unfortunately the aggression stays from his side and we collided. It's unfortunate but it's a racing incident, these things happen. (LINK)

Sums it up pretty accurately so far as I am concerned; two brilliant drivers were racing to stay in/get to the front; neither was willing to give way; one got punted off the track - a "racing incident". It seems that Alonso AND Leclerc (who was following closely) said just that.

I hope that both Max and Horner learn from this event - I also hope that Max makes a full, speedy recovery from his "near death" experience

 

[Flibster]

Hamilton's onboard of lap 1 is interesting. 1st corner Verstappen leaves the track, maintains full throttle and then pulls straight back on with Hamilton alongside his rear wheel meaning he has to make avoiding action. Couple of corners later, Hamilton well ahead into the left hand corner, then gives up the position to avoid an accident. Couple of corners later... Verstappen doesn't.

Still 100% racing incident to me. If it was between 11th and 12th places they wouldn't have blinked twice at it being a racing incident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejDTu1BGHKg

 

[GravyMonster]

Anyway I think I've said everything I've got to say on the matter. We've all got our own opinions and that's fine.

Agreed

Everyone's arguing over A or B and I'm sitting here like 'makes the championship more interesting'.

Verstappen was gonna walk it otherwise.

Absolutely. Now it will be interesting to see if Max really has matured. Pre-2020 Max would make sure he takes Hamilton out in retribution. We'll have to see what he does in a championship fight for the rest of this season.

 

[the wopster]

If you can't debate sensibly other than "durrr read my linkz" then you need to backup your nonsense. You haven't.

Seriously, what are you going on about. Where did your 3 years straw man come from?

For context...

2015 British grand prix (lap 4) ... Max crashes at farm corner going too fast
2016 Monaco grand prix (lap 25) ... Max crashes at Massenett corner going too fast
2017 Spanish grand prix (lap 1) ... Max damages the car and retires after a collision with Raikkonen at the chichane
2018 Azerbaijan grand prix (lap 12) ... Max crashes at turn 1 by hitting his team mate
2019 Belgium grand prix (lap 1) ... Max crashes at turn 1 by hitting Raikonnen
2020 Tuscany grand prix (lap 1) ... Max is involved in a collision Raikonnen
2020 Bahrain grand prix (lap 1) ... Max tries to avoid Perez and ends up in the gravel

It seems to me that Max hasn't learned, particularly when it's lap 1?

Anyone see a pattern forming here ?

 

[KiNgPiN83]

Anyone see a pattern forming here ?

Yes, this is the 8th time MaX hAs NeArLY DiEd!!!

/s

 

[the wopster]

Yes, this is the 8th time MaX hAs NeArLY DiEd!!!

/s

Very good point, the rest of the grid clearly has it in for this poor soul, “won’t somebody please think of poor max”

 

[Slam62]

The one thing Max didn't need to do was crash out, I don't know what he was thinking.

It'll be interesting see how far Lewis pushes it the next time he gets near, I hope he goes all in.

 

[wildman]

Just watched the incident. Seems pretty tame. I've seen far worse go without a penalty. It's a racing incident for me.

Max seemed to lack awareness that Lewis was coming up on the inside.

Hamilton was never going to make it up the inside carrying that speed and make the turn. It seems similar to 94 when Schumacher basically rammed hill off the track and then tried to put it down to being racing.

The Hamilton fanbois are incapable of accepting that he made a poor judgement call.

 

[Basher]

The Hamilton fanbois are incapable of accepting that he made a poor judgement call.

Speaking as a Max fan, I think Hamilton made a fair move and has handled it well.

 

[Quartz]

Hamilton was never going to make it up the inside carrying that speed and make the turn.

Except, of course, he did.

 

[MissChief]

Hamilton was never going to make it up the inside carrying that speed and make the turn. It seems similar to 94 when Schumacher basically rammed hill off the track and then tried to put it down to being racing.

The Hamilton fanbois are incapable of accepting that he made a poor judgement call.

Max also had poor judgement. Hamilton was never, ever going to back out of that move. He was also not going to make the corner without either going a mile wide or spinning off. Max still hasn’t learned that you can’t win a race on lap one, but you can lose it. He misjudged Hamilton and paid the price. I doubt Hamilton will back off again in the same situation at 130r or Eau Rouge.

 

[Tombstone]

Now it will be interesting to see if Max really has matured. Pre-2020 Max would make sure he takes Hamilton out in retribution. We'll have to see what he does in a championship fight for the rest of this season.

The best thing Max can do if he is really that angry with Lewis is not to annihilate him with the car but to annihilate him on the track. As you say it will be interesting to see if this makes Max more aggressive or simply more fast.

 

[mmj_uk]

It seems similar to 94 when Schumacher basically rammed hill off the track and then tried to put it down to being racing.

That was deliberate, Hamilton just missed the apex and it's worth noting there's no rule in racing that to overtake down the inside you have to make the apex, all Hamilton had to do was leave Verstappen room which he did, Verstappen had what two thirds of the track and people are blaming Hamilton for not making the apex? Verstappen should should have factored in situations like Hamilton locking a wheel or understeering and gone around the outside, he didn't and paid the ultimate price.

 

[the wopster]

That was deliberate, Hamilton just missed the apex and it's worth noting there's no rule in racing that to overtake down the inside you have to make the apex, all Hamilton had to do was leave Verstappen room which he did, Verstappen had what two thirds of the track and people are blaming Hamilton for not making the apex? Verstappen should should have factored in situations like Hamilton locking a wheel or understeering and gone around the outside, he didn't and paid the ultimate price.

I don’t know why people keep saying Lewis missed the apex, all weekend he took the line into that corner that misses the apex, even brundle pointed it out in P2

 

[mattyg]

Max also had poor judgement. Hamilton was never, ever going to back out of that move. He was also not going to make the corner without either going a mile wide or spinning off. Max still hasn’t learned that you can’t win a race on lap one, but you can lose it. He misjudged Hamilton and paid the price. I doubt Hamilton will back off again in the same situation at 130r or Eau Rouge.

He didn't. Didn't he make another 2 or 3 overtakes on the exact same corner later in the race. Funny to hear Horner saying you just dont overtake on that corner. And that Christian is why your not a 7 times world champion.
Its a shame for Max as I'm a big max fan but she had enough room to NOT turn in on Hamilton.

 

[Scam]

Hamilton was never going to make it up the inside carrying that speed and make the turn.

Uhh, except he did.

EDIT: Beaten.

 

[stockhausen]

FIA Formula 1 race director Michael Masi says it's a fundamental principle that stewards do not take the consequences of an incident into account when giving penalties. (LINK)

That may seem to be unfair for the Championship leader Verstappen (who was a DNF) and of benefit to Hamilton (who won and clawed back 25 points) but it seems entirely reasonable to me.

As an analogy, I don't know whether in the UK there are separate offences of "Dangerous Driving" and "Causing death by Dangerous Driving" but it would seem unreasonable if one suffered less if you "Just managed to get away with it".

 

[KiNgPiN83]

Except, of course, he did.

And despite the contact lessening his braking.

 

[Junglist]

It's going to be a long two weeks until the next race.

7/10 race for me. Delighted with a Hamilton win and it's closed the championship back up. I still think Red Bull/Max will be too much of a combination for Mercedes/Lewis to beat but at least it feels somewhat close again.

 

[Jono8]

Hamilton was never going to make it up the inside carrying that speed and make the turn. It seems similar to 94 when Schumacher basically rammed hill off the track and then tried to put it down to being racing.

The Hamilton fanbois are incapable of accepting that he made a poor judgement call.

It was nothing like the 94 Damon hill thing.

Hamilton did make the corner, and Max had tons of room. Lewis didn't make any obviously malicious movements into Max. If he doesn't have the awareness to not blindly keep to his line if someone is coming up the inside of him then that is his lookout.

They both had plenty of room to make that turn, but Max knew that if he had done that Hamilton might have got past. He either didn't look in his mirrors or thought he would risk it anyway and it backfired.