Poll: British Grand Prix 2021, Silverstone - Race 10/23

Rate the 2021 British Grand Prix out of ten


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Hamilton was never going to make it up the inside carrying that speed and make the turn. It seems similar to 94 when Schumacher basically rammed hill off the track and then tried to put it down to being racing.

The Hamilton fanbois are incapable of accepting that he made a poor judgement call.

Wow.... Now that's a hell of a reach!! I had to go back and rewatch it, as I was sure you could not be referring to the Adelaide incident..

Wrong on absolutely every level. I actually facepalmed when I read that! Surely you are trolling :D

How in the world you can say it was a bad judgement call given he pulled back maximum points on his title rival who scored..... NONE, even after receiving a justified penalty.

Dont hate the player, hate the game!!

Oh, and far from a Hamilton fanboy before you play that card :D

For the record, from November 2018:

Max has years to get his temperament under control and he is wicked fast.
He will win regardless of his current actions, and if he improves he will surely take the mantle from Lewis (in the right car!).
 
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That may seem to be unfair for the Championship leader Verstappen (who was a DNF) and of benefit to Hamilton (who won and clawed back 25 points) but it seems entirely reasonable to me.

As an analogy, I don't know whether in the UK there are separate offences of "Dangerous Driving" and "Causing death by Dangerous Driving" but it would seem unreasonable if one suffered less if you "Just managed to get away with it".
Yes there are varying offences. I’m sure you knew when you asked, but then a 2 second google would have told you so…

What you’re saying:

Merc cause crash = hang them
Haas cause crash = 5s time penalty.

The moment you apply any sort of performance factor to a penalty, you’ve lost all credibility. Plus it would just mean the back markers can get away with murder because they won’t be as heavily punished.
 
I'm pretty sure i read somewhere that there were three possible penalties for this incident:

* 5 seconds
* 10 seconds
* Drive through

As they went with the 10 second penalty they obviously didn't think it was purely Hamilton's fault. Michael Masi also said that they don't take into account the aftermath just the cause of the incident.
 
The double standards on collisions from some Lewis fans is even funnier. "brilliant victory" is it? To win in by far the fastest car when MV isn't on the track. (I'd think the same if MV had won in reverse situation. He should and recover in the reverse situation).

There are two other drivers with the same cars. Where were they?

It's almost like Hamilton might actually be better than them...
 
There are two other drivers with the same cars. Where were they?

It's almost like Hamilton might actually be better than them...
Whilst I agree with you about Hamilton being better than Bottas, he was significantly hampered this race, given he had no drink for the majority of the session.

So this race, the gap might not be as close as the difference would be usually. :)
 
Maybe this will be a learning experience for him.

It won't, way too much smoke being blown up his ***** from his own team and online (It's mental on YouTube etc)

It will take him missing out on this championship to realise where the pinch points were and how he could have taken it.

If he wins this championship then he will continue to be a tad too aggressive and this won't be his last big shunt, especially if the 2022 cars do allow closer racing.
 
Whilst I agree with you about Hamilton being better than Bottas, he was significantly hampered this race, given he had no drink for the majority of the session.

So this race, the gap might not be as close as the difference would be usually. :)

I think Hamilton and Max are genuinally a cut above the rest of the field to be honest. Max is phenomenal quick and Lewis can often make a mockery of the rest of the field in the rain.
 
It won't, way too much smoke being blown up his ***** from his own team and online (It's mental on YouTube etc)

It will take him missing out on this championship to realise where the pinch points were and how he could have taken it.

If he wins this championship then he will continue to be a tad too aggressive and this won't be his last big shunt, especially if the 2022 cars do allow closer racing.

It's amusing because Lewis was a bit like this when he was younger.

I do appreciate its probably hard at this level to find a good balance between being a racer and taking risks, and knowing when to play it smart and yield/take 2nd place. Its definitely one of those things that most of the top drivers have to learn as they progress.

Better to just settle for a podium than risk a dnf, especially if you hold such a commanding position at the top of the standings.
 
Max is one of the drivers that places his car so that you have to either yield to him or crash and thinks he's a racing genius. Someone does it to him and it's the most unfair thing ever.

It was a slightly ambitious move by Hamilton but after the sprint race he knew how the next 17 laps and probably the rest of the race would play out and took a calculated risk.
 
I think Hamilton and Max are genuinally a cut above the rest of the field to be honest. Max is phenomenal quick and Lewis can often make a mockery of the rest of the field in the rain.

No doubt and if Max could eliminate this huge weakness he has of aggressive overtakes then he’d be as good, if not better than Hamilton.
 
I find it interesting that Max has made a career out of doing what he wants and not giving a **** about anyone else. He has aggressively closed down any questions on his driving and physically pushed around and threatened another driver following his own mistake. That's his thing- and it seems to work for him.

Yet when someone returns the courtesy he cries foul.

I'm neither a fan of MV or LH to be honest, but out of the two I find Lewis more tolerable. Whilst Max is making progress with his development, I can't help feeling that fundamentally he has a level of immaturity that he simply tries to mask rather than him actually doing any "growing". Having said that, Lewis was similar in his younger years, so there's hope for Max yet. But I genuinely feel he would be better off away from RBR and driving for another team. RBR seems a bit toxic and I have to place that at the door of the TP. Max is a young man and is no doubt manipulated daily by the likes of Marko and Horner. I think it would do him good to experience another team and a different management style / outlook.

Mercedes on the other hand, seem to be about finding solutions rather than pointing fingers and placing blame.

There is no doubting that Max is fast and capable. But I fear he has not got a steady hand moulding his outlook and his journey in his best interests.

His attitude is very much "I'm right, that's all that matters" and it's difficult to know how much of that is down to the environment and a team who seemingly don't challenge his attitude and how much is down to Max himself. Marko is no Lauder though, not in my view anyway.

Max's mindset kind if reminds me of people who cross the road at a zebra crossing without looking out for traffic. Yes they have right of way but will that be of any consolation, and will they be any less dead if a car comes flying through that cares not for the "right of way" of pedestrians? Or motorcyclists who don't ease off at crossroads with waiting cars in the junctions......

As others have touched on, this seems to be a key notion that Max seemingly cannot grasp. In my view - his only hope of winning the WDC is if RBR consistently have the faster car by some margin. I feel he will struggle if Merc close the performance gap as he is simply not as good as Lewis and by good I'm not just talking lap times, I'm talking everything else; the whole package.

In addition, it's likely Max is going to be driving angry, and that is never going to end well.

For the record, on reflection, I feel the crash on Sunday was a racing incident. I feel both drivers were driving hard and both could have done a little bit more to avoid it. The margins at that speed are tiny, but nevertheless an unstoppable force met an immovable object. On the day it was Max that came off worse. On another day it might be Lewis. Yet another it could be 2 DNF's. That's the kind of hard racing most people advocate for.

Seems its all fair in love and war with the fans until its their preferred driver in the barrier! But people are going to people as sure as eggs are eggs!
 
I find it interesting that Max has made a career out of doing what he wants and not giving a **** about anyone else. He has aggressively closed down any questions on his driving and physically pushed around and threatened another driver following his own mistake. That's his thing- and it seems to work for him.

Yet when someone returns the courtesy he cries foul.

I'm neither a fan of MV or LH to be honest, but out of the two I find Lewis more tolerable. Whilst Max is making progress with his development, I can't help feeling that fundamentally he has a level of immaturity that he simply tries to mask rather than him actually doing any "growing". Having said that, Lewis was similar in his younger years, so there's hope for Max yet. But I genuinely feel he would be better off away from RBR and driving for another team. RBR seems a bit toxic and I have to place that at the door of the TP. Max is a young man and is no doubt manipulated daily by the likes of Marko and Horner. I think it would do him good to experience another team and a different management style / outlook.

Mercedes on the other hand, seem to be about finding solutions rather than pointing fingers and placing blame.

There is no doubting that Max is fast and capable. But I fear he has not got a steady hand moulding his outlook and his journey in his best interests.

His attitude is very much "I'm right, that's all that matters" and it's difficult to know how much of that is down to the environment and a team who seemingly don't challenge his attitude and how much is down to Max himself. Marko is no Lauder though, not in my view anyway.

Max's mindset kind if reminds me of people who cross the road at a zebra crossing without looking out for traffic. Yes they have right of way but will that be of any consolation, and will they be any less dead if a car comes flying through that cares not for the "right of way" of pedestrians? Or motorcyclists who don't ease off at crossroads with waiting cars in the junctions......

As others have touched on, this seems to be a key notion that Max seemingly cannot grasp. In my view - his only hope of winning the WDC is if RBR consistently have the faster car by some margin. I feel he will struggle if Merc close the performance gap as he is simply not as good as Lewis and by good I'm not just talking lap times, I'm talking everything else; the whole package.

In addition, it's likely Max is going to be driving angry, and that is never going to end well.

For the record, on reflection, I feel the crash on Sunday was a racing incident. I feel both drivers were driving hard and both could have done a little bit more to avoid it. The margins at that speed are tiny, but nevertheless an unstoppable force met an immovable object. On the day it was Max that came off worse. On another day it might be Lewis. Yet another it could be 2 DNF's. That's the kind of hard racing most people advocate for.

Seems its all fair in love and war with the fans until its their preferred driver in the barrier! But people are going to people as sure as eggs are eggs!

The same was true of Seb Vettel. Wheel to wheel combat was not his thing and he mentally was not as strong. Stick it on pole though and he was quick and led usually to the end in the Red Bull years. I think it is a Red Bull thing and you can see they are not as much a "team" as other teams. The treatment to some of their drivers has been fairly savage. Food for thought though; the Christian Horner we see and witness is one of which many of us detest in many ways. Imagine what he is like behind closed doors in team meetings etc. I suspect he throws his toys out of the pram a lot in order to get his way. Max's lack of maturity may come directly from some of the character flaws of Christian himself.
 
The same was true of Seb Vettel. Wheel to wheel combat was not his thing and he mentally was not as strong. Stick it on pole though and he was quick and led usually to the end in the Red Bull years. I think it is a Red Bull thing and you can see they are not as much a "team" as other teams. The treatment to some of their drivers has been fairly savage. Food for thought though; the Christian Horner we see and witness is one of which many of us detest in many ways. Imagine what he is like behind closed doors in team meetings etc. I suspect he throws his toys out of the pram a lot in order to get his way. Max's lack of maturity may come directly from some of the character flaws of Christian himself.

He’s surrounded by enablers at the highest level in the team, it’ll be to his detriment.
 
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Who took whose ground?

Hamilton wasn't technically behind he just had to brake earlier due to his tighter line but we're talking a fraction of second between them being nose to nose to Hamilton 3/4 car length behind under braking. Verstappen wouldn't have been in front at that point had he taken the outside line where he would have had to brake more himself. He chose to stay on the (optimum) racing line give or take a few inches which meant that he could carry more speed through the corner and edge ahead by the time of the collision but it's his actions that made a collision inevitable.

Felipe Massa did this all of the time, he would just rigidly stick to the racing line whenever anyone tried to overtake him and if it caused an accident he would just blame the other driver because he "had the racing line", that's not how racing works you have to be aware of what's around you and if there's a car on your inside you have no right to occupy the racing line.

What Verstappen should have done is simply taken the wider line. I'm really not sure why people are being so obsessive about Hamilton and the apex, he had the inside line that's ultimately all that mattered, the fact that Verstappen chose to pretend Hamilton wasn't on his inside doesn't change that.
 
It's amusing because Lewis was a bit like this when he was younger.

I do appreciate its probably hard at this level to find a good balance between being a racer and taking risks, and knowing when to play it smart and yield/take 2nd place. Its definitely one of those things that most of the top drivers have to learn as they progress.

Better to just settle for a podium than risk a dnf, especially if you hold such a commanding position at the top of the standings.

Yeah remember it well and I too loved it back then and saw no wrong.

Abit like the Max fans are currently doing, he needs to chill and let his current speed take him to the championship.

Wouldn't be surprised to see something daft next race.
 
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