Bruce Lee vs....

The problem with Bruce Lee is taking the man from the myth.

Lee was a master of no one style but took form and function from several styles and stripped them down to form a functional martial art for a modern time, free from the restraints of tradition and so easily taught to people from all works of life.

He was a smart guy, in great shape and had the advantage of genetics to help with his speed (for those who have never looked into the genetic effect race and evolution has on the muscle structure in the human body it is a fascinating subject).

I know a lot of guys who train/compete in MMA events and various martial arts tourneys and Jeet Kune Do is not regarded as an effective fighting style for use in competition but if you are about to get done over outside a pub it is handy as a quick strike and run form.

Fedor is a beast and has earned his title as the worlds No1 MMA fighter to the untrained eye it looks like he is swinging wild when he punches but he is taking advantage of what he knows his opponent will do in that situation (cover up) which allows for a take down for a submission or the opening to deliver more precise punches.

To those who doubt the stamina needed to actually fight at that level go to a gym and just throw punches at a heavy bag as hard as you can for 3 minutes non stop and then say the guy has no stamina.
 
Exactly, anyone describing use of pressure point manovers, such as a blow to the throat etc etc clearly have never seen MMA, it would take a very unskilled fighter to fall for one of these moves, let alone an MMA pro. Youve gotta bare in mind your trying these moves against people who could knock you out with one punch, people who could choke you out in under 10 seonds, people who could snap your leg and arm in an leg/arm bar.

There not being used on a dummy or willing demonstration buddy, it isnt an exhibition, its a real fight, and the majority of these moves are useless in a real combat sitchuation, let alone against the hardest people on the planet.
 
Why does everyone keep going on about how fast Bruce Lee was.

Do you honestly think he was that much faster than the best fighters today? He may have been the fastest man on earth but it'd only be by a fractional magin. He would not be able to dart in and out of range of Fedor as he liked. The real world just doesn't work like that no matter how many silly noises he makes when he throws a strike.
 
Anyone who thinks that Lee would win watches FAR too many movies...

Lee would lose practically everytime, you say that Fedor is sloppy and just swings wildly. Have you ever done any MMA fighting? I think you'll find its a lot harder than it looks. My point being that you use a huge amount of energy, I doubt many people here would be able to fight for more than a minute against another person from this forum simply because it is so tiring.

When you're barely able to stand, why dont you try throwing a good punch? Be my guest. Also that BS about Fedor only hitting half the time... Strangely enough he is also fighting someone with some skill... and i'm gonna guess and say the guy he's fighting doesn't want to get caught with a punch.

Also, Fedor is good on the ground, I've never seen Lee do anything on the ground and weight does count when you're grappling.

I've been practicing Wado Ryu Karate for 9 years and Go Ju Ryu Karate for 2 and Ju Jitsu for another 2. I've also done a lot of grappling and it is far from easy, I'd put money on being able to take most people out on the ground

Oh yea, and if Bruce Lee and Jeet Kune Do are so good... How come no one has ever won any MMA championship with it, be it UFC, PRIDE or any of the others. It doesn't sound like such a good fighting system now does it.
 
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MetalStorm said:
Oh yea, and if Bruce Lee and Jeet Kune Do are so good... How come no one has ever won any MMA championship with it, be it UFC, PRIDE or any of the others. It doesn't sound like such a good fighting system now does it.
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Cause a large amount of it is banned by UFC, Pride etc rules. Even the president of UFC said Lee was the father of MMA, good enough for me tbh.
 
Phnom_Penh said:
Cause a large amount of it is banned by UFC, Pride etc rules. Even the president of UFC said Lee was the father of MMA, good enough for me tbh.
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it amazes me how many members are either missing the point above or just glossing over it.
UFC/Pride etc have rules and as such they are NOT real fights...close but no cigar.for example if I wanted to batter you in the car park of the red lion could I realistically ask you not to hit me in the nuts, or hit my eyes because they're sore?
no, of course you can't.
a REAL fight has no rules whatsoever.
once you've said to a fighter that several of his primary techniques are forbidden then you put him at a disadvantage......especially against a fighter who is not only physically superior but trains in a style that fits the rules much better.
being the best doesn't guarantee victory.

betamax anyone?
 
If anybody seriously thinks Bruce Lee could take any world class MMA fighter let alone the very best one in the world, then they probably think Jet Li could too, but Jet Li isn't an idiot and has stated he would be beaten easily in any "real life" fight by a professional MMA fighter; if you compare, compare like for like.
 
Have you all forgotten the Fedor is in a ring too? His hands are slowed by gloves. Do you think he is somehow incapable of poking people in the eyes and kicking people in the goolies because he is a professional fighter?
 
Fedor would demolish Lee in very short order.

No, I am not going to back that up with a 2000 word essay. If you disagree with the self-evident and patently obvious truth then no amount of verbiage is going to penetrate your skull anyway. Fedor, however, would. :p
 
I know absolutely nothing about fighting, but someone please explain this to me in relation to body mass and power. A while back I was watching a documentary on Adventure 1 about these monks hidden away in some mountains in China. They trained in some ancient form of martial art which they basically lived, breathed and ate for their entire lives.

They set up a demonstration with one of the monks who placed his fist literally around 1 inch from this guy's chest and this was no small person. The guy was padded up and literally left the ground flying backwards when hit by this monk.

Is this some kind of trick with no real practical use in a ring or arena or am I missing something?
 
MookJong said:
If I'm wrong then would you care to explain? Bearing in mind I have seen a Chinese Opera school performance.
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So because you've seen Chinese Opera you know everything there is to know about it?
Please. Dont be daft enough to make sweeping generalisations about something just because you've seen one event.
 
BubbySoup said:
They set up a demonstration with one of the monks who placed his fist literally around 1 inch from this guy's chest and this was no small person. The guy was padded up and literally left the ground flying backwards when hit by this monk.
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I remember seeing that. Quite impressive that was.
 
There was a reason Lee is called the best :p

Seriously it would obviously be a very close fight but I still see Bruce winning. Yes this guy is huge but Bruce's size is also an advantage, it allows him him to move around quicker and smaller targets are harder to hit.

And i must say from what ive seen of Bruce Lee he is way way way faster than that Feder Guy.


One more thing...does anyone else look at Feder as Ivan Drago from Rocky IV lol.
 
willd58 said:
Exactly, anyone describing use of pressure point manovers, such as a blow to the throat etc etc clearly have never seen MMA, it would take a very unskilled fighter to fall for one of these moves, let alone an MMA pro. Youve gotta bare in mind your trying these moves against people who could knock you out with one punch, people who could choke you out in under 10 seonds, people who could snap your leg and arm in an leg/arm bar.

There not being used on a dummy or willing demonstration buddy, it isnt an exhibition, its a real fight, and the majority of these moves are useless in a real combat sitchuation, let alone against the hardest people on the planet.
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Did you read my post? From the sounds of it no.

Most pressure point moves are based around blocking a punch or kick then moving in while the other person is on the back foot due to still being in attack mode. Even the most skilled fighter would have serious trouble blocking a move similar to the ones I talked about in my post earlier if done by a professional. The move can be done almost faster than the eye can see if done right (less than half a second) and the first time the opponent would realise something had happened is when he was in real pain or when he woke up from unconciousness.

The person who started the pressure points debate in this thread meant that sort of move not jabbing them in the throat and 'karate chopping' them.

And no MMA is not a real fight its an exhibition like boxing or a karate competition. If you think its a real fight go out on a friday night and hit a bouncer. :rolleyes:
 
anyone can beat anyone if it's their night.
to say person A could never beat person B is the mindset of someone that's never had any formal combat training.
 
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