BT Infinity & FTTx Discussion

Dup said:
Anyone here had the free TalkTalk Full Fibre upgrade?

OpenReach spent 18 months installing Ultrafast in our town and now TalkTalk are moving us over to Full Fibre by basically just sending an OR engineer with very little heads-up. Not a bad thing, I understand why, but I'm anxious as a homeworker that it's going to be a shambles as these OR visits tend to be.

My main worry is that we're shacked up in a pretty awful terraced rental waiting on the housing market to chill it's knickers, and this house in particular has no power sockets on the back wall where they will be running the fibre from (on any floor). Running an extension is feasible but not ideal. I wired a 5m extension around the skirting from the current line (same location where the ONT will likely be installed) to where I could plug in the router and use powerline adapters properly.

What are the chances they will install in the middle of the room where the sockets are? Can it be bent 90 degrees?

We're currently on Fibre 65 and sync at 77512/20000 - I assume I should expect the same/similar with FTTP and I won't be getting any upgrade beyond what I pay currently. Tempted by 150, but penny pinching for the benefit of buying a decent house in the nearish future, will I really notice any benefit when it's mainly my work machine/PC and the TV using the connection at any one time?
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The main benefit is you get rid of the modem, so your choice of router/edge device becomes a bit easier.

Plus it’s a much bigger pipe, so if you do need more then it’s easy.

Plus I gave to say I’ve not really ever had a bad experience with Openreach’s staff.
 
Gigabit said:
So I am confused, if this isn't bufferbloat what is? Can you explain so I understand?
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I could write reams on this, but a simple description I did for someone recently:

Bufferbloat is a condition where the buffering that was added to various networking devices and software with the aim of increasing performance, can actually reduce throughput and increase latency for various protocols and traffic patterns due to the way data is requested, acknowledged, re-requested for dropped packets and where protocols try to vary transmission rates to get the best performance.

The next part is what patterns of data requests/responses/drops cause bufferbloat and there are many. However one cause can be connections with asymmetric speeds when the upload becomes saturated acknowledging received data. Even without bufferbloat adding to the problem, saturation of upload and indeed download is still an issue, its just bufferbloat is a common outcome and exacerbates the issue.

Quality of service type features aim to prevent saturated links and some also optimise certain types of traffic. In doing this they help prevent bufferbloat and saturated links up or down.

Sometimes its clear the root cause is a saturated uplink especially on asymmetric connections rather than the other factors above, but unless you are really into networking protocols/software optimisation then just consider it a quality of service issue that needs solving with an applicable router/software.
 
Simon42 said:
I could write reams on this, but a simple description I did for someone recently:

Bufferbloat is a condition where the buffering that was added to various networking devices and software with the aim of increasing performance, can actually reduce throughput and increase latency for various protocols and traffic patterns due to the way data is requested, acknowledged, re-requested for dropped packets and where protocols try to vary transmission rates to get the best performance.

The next part is what patterns of data requests/responses/drops cause bufferbloat and there are many. However one cause can be connections with asymmetric speeds when the upload becomes saturated acknowledging received data. Even without bufferbloat adding to the problem, saturation of upload and indeed download is still an issue, its just bufferbloat is a common outcome and exacerbates the issue.

Quality of service type features aim to prevent saturated links and some also optimise certain types of traffic. In doing this they help prevent bufferbloat and saturated links up or down.

Sometimes its clear the root cause is a saturated uplink especially on asymmetric connections rather than the other factors above, but unless you are really into networking protocols/software optimisation then just consider it a quality of service issue that needs solving with an applicable router/software.
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Thanks. But then I am confused why @ChrisD. keeps telling me I don't have bufferbloat when what I have seems to be precisely what you are describing?
 
Simon42 said:
Even without bufferbloat adding to the problem, saturation of upload and indeed download is still an issue, its just bufferbloat is a common outcome and exacerbates the issue.
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Gigabit said:
Thanks. But then I am confused why @ChrisD. keeps telling me I don't have bufferbloat when what I have seems to be precisely what you are describing?
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Did you read this part?
 
Am I getting creamed here?

Before my contract was up in February 2022, had Fibre 2 FTTC getting 60 Mbps+. Decided to just leave it to run out of contract but it seems like around the time my area got FTTP (May 2022), they mysteriously lowered me to Fibre 1. Last night I decided to recontract to Fibre 2 FTTC while I decide what FTTP product to get (thinking of black friday deal) but now I'm getting this:

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How on earth is Fibre 2 these speeds? Are they like artifically forcing me to get FTTP? This fibre 2 package is the same price as Full Fibre 100...
 
GregI said:
Am I getting creamed here?

Before my contract was up in February 2022, had Fibre 2 FTTC getting 60 Mbps+. Decided to just leave it to run out of contract but it seems like around the time my area got FTTP (May 2022), they mysteriously lowered me to Fibre 1. Last night I decided to recontract to Fibre 2 FTTC while I decide what FTTP product to get (thinking of black friday deal) but now I'm getting this:

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How on earth is Fibre 2 these speeds? Are they like artifically forcing me to get FTTP? This fibre 2 package is the same price as Full Fibre 100...
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Why on earth would you not want FTTP?
 
Post the modem stats you get on FTTC.

But as above, you have FTTP available and it sounds like you're out of contract - why bother locking yourself in for another 24 months with BT when you have loads of great FTTP options?
 
It could be a line fault, if you were being limited you'd be at 40/10 which you aren't.

In any case, you have FTTP as an option, move to that and leave rate-adaptive copper in the past.
 
GregI said:
It seems to be artifically limiting me. Like I know for a fact the Fibre 2 speeds I get should be syncing at the ~60,000 so why do they feel the need to limit me?
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Why haven't you switched to a ridiculously better network in every possible way, by going FTTP?

FTTC is so inferior, it's a no brainer to switch over to FTTP.
 
If any of you want to give me the extra £12 every month (£288 total) to switch then sure.

Can take a cheque or send my paypal email whichever is preferred. ;)
 
GregI said:
If any of you want to give me the extra £12 every month (£288 total) to switch then sure.

Can take a cheque or send my paypal email whichever is preferred. ;)
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What are you paying currently to BT? Plusnet 80Mbps FTTP is £24.99, TalkTalk is £25.00.
 
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