BT Infinity & FTTx Discussion

[V F]

I haven't a clue what I'll get but I can say the cabinet is about 500 yards away. There were cables laid down further up the road only just down the hill. Maybe 100 - 150 yards from the house. As I asked them a year ago what the cables were for. The new fibre service. So I'm assuming there will be two cabinets... One at the traffic lights. One inside village itself.

 

[Avalon]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love 200Mb and it's great that I have the opportunity to, but at £40 a month plus £15 line rental they can jog on. There is only me so I don't mind waiting an extra few minutes for downloads. More frustrating that Sky are pricing at £30 for their maximum rating and £20 for 100Mb vs BT's 76Mb for £30.

You'd have loved 512k for £50 plus £10 line rental on Blueyonder back in the day, you also ended up taking TV for £3.50

 

[Battery!]

An installer come out to me.

Slightly peeved off with BT to be honest. I'm on their 76mb FTTH (or FTTP) package at £30 per month plus line rental. Sky off their UFO packages at £20 per month for 100mb or £30 a month for the max... I can't even switch provider because no other provider will offer FTTH in my area so I'm stuck with BT's pricing. £48 a month for 76mb and a phone I never use is a bit of a joke really when compared to competitors'.

If anyone has any ideas for alternatives, I would be happy to hear. Sky, Plus Net and Virgin all say "nope" or "we can offer 2Mb?".

Same as Kemik mentions, although I'm in a 'new build' the property is actually 3 years old on a new build estate and the previous occupiers had standard Sky ADSL broadband installed. It looks like to me they were unaware they could get FTTP or chose not to have it, this meant they had a copper landline installed.

As I was a brand new install/order it didn't matter that there was already a 'landline' socket due to this being a copper line so when the OR engineer came to install the equipment he completely ignored the copper line, feed the fibre cable from the dwelling from outside the property in through a drilled hole in the wall and into the Openreach modem. Then on the OR modem plugged my landline phone into that called up his buddies at OR to enable the phone line part of the order and then it started working.


As with Kemik I am also stuck with BT and have no other option but to use them for FTTP (apart from Zen, who I know are good but way over priced), I also find it highly frustrating that with FTTP you don't actually 'need' a landline so you shouldn't have to pay the ridiculous line rental fee of £17.99 per month, but BT add that anyway with no option to opt out.

I'm planning to be home when they arrive and I will send them back out if they dont use the fibre that is there!

 

[Dandle]

I was in the pilot area for FTTP, when I moved two roads away this road wasn't FTTP enabled (one of only about four roads in the area). I wanted to move my phone number and stay with BT but I couldn't. Once the original phone number was moved from copper to fibre there was no way of getting it back as the two departments are separate and the number can only move from Normal to fibre not back. The whole thing with BT doesn't make sense.

I've been trying to get a quote from BT and open reach to put Fibre to my home (two poles away is provisioned). I can't even get a quote. No one responds.

 

[Avalon]

I was in the pilot area for FTTP, when I moved two roads away this road wasn't FTTP enabled (one of only about four roads in the area). I wanted to move my phone number and stay with BT but I couldn't. Once the original phone number was moved from copper to fibre there was no way of getting it back as the two departments are separate and the number can only move from Normal to fibre not back. The whole thing with BT doesn't make sense.

I've been trying to get a quote from BT and open reach to put Fibre to my home (two poles away is provisioned). I can't even get a quote. No one responds.

Easy, port it out to a VoIP provider and then bring it back, it'll cost you up to £20 but if you're still in the same exchange area then it will work (check first).

 

[Rendog]

I've been trying to get a quote from BT and open reach to put Fibre to my home (two poles away is provisioned). I can't even get a quote. No one responds.

You could try speaking to the FTTP/FTTH Sales department on 0800 587 4787 - Or ask for the FTTP/FTTH Order Management team on that number, the Sales department will always put you through - they are the guys I have been speaking to in order to get my broadband activated. They only deal with FTTP and you completely avoid India.

 

[mark2410]

Finally!! 7 weeks to the day from when my broadband was originally suppose to be activated BT have finally done it. What an absolute pain. However I will not complain about the speed, never ever had something this fast!

Strange ISP name!

I've ordered the 300Mb product so I will give it a couple of days for it to reach that as it doesn't seem to push past 200Mb yet. Although I'm fairly sure FTTP works slightly differently where it doesn't really need a 'grace period' so to speak.

Anyways, finally glad the wait is over.

im sure im not the only one thinking it, but damn, so jealous i hate you

 

[Avalon]

im sure im not the only one thinking it, but damn, so jealous i hate you

The geek in me agree's with you, the realist understands that the odds of me downloading at circa (for simplicity) 25MB/s, 1.5GB/min or 90GB/hr are not sustainable. The hard drive space cost alone would be over £45 a day or £1,350 per 30 days. To download for example a 150MB mp3 album is 30 seconds on a 40Mbit connection, will you really notice it only being 6ish seconds over a day? We're now at a stage where current VDSL speeds allow you to download things faster than you can watch/listen to them let alone pay for them or store them. 4K will alter that balance slightly but not massively so.

 

[V F]

Is 16ms not high? So many fast connections I've seen people report were down to 1 - 3ms? No?

 

[mark2410]

The geek in me agree's with you, the realist understands that the odds of me downloading at circa (for simplicity) 25MB/s, 1.5GB/min or 90GB/hr are not sustainable. The hard drive space cost alone would be over £45 a day or £1,350 per 30 days. To download for example a 150MB mp3 album is 30 seconds on a 40Mbit connection, will you really notice it only being 6ish seconds over a day? We're now at a stage where current VDSL speeds allow you to download things faster than you can watch/listen to them let alone pay for them or store them. 4K will alter that balance slightly but not massively so.

for me its not about being able to fill a hard drive in record time but about nat having to plan and store things becaues my connection is so slow ill spend what feels like half my day waiting for somithng. its like watching a kettle boil if feels like forever and i can tell you taht my crap connection has more or less wasted half my week waiting for things to upload. its immensely frustrating.

 

[ScoTTyBEEE]

The geek in me agree's with you, the realist understands that the odds of me downloading at circa (for simplicity) 25MB/s, 1.5GB/min or 90GB/hr are not sustainable. The hard drive space cost alone would be over £45 a day or £1,350 per 30 days. To download for example a 150MB mp3 album is 30 seconds on a 40Mbit connection, will you really notice it only being 6ish seconds over a day? We're now at a stage where current VDSL speeds allow you to download things faster than you can watch/listen to them let alone pay for them or store them. 4K will alter that balance slightly but not massively so.

I just downgraded from 100mb to 50mb for this reason. 50mb gets me things fast enough, a full movie is only a few minutes, I can just make a cup of tea while I wait.

 

[DragonQ]

If a 40/20 Mb/s package existed I'd probably be on that. I'm hoping for 80/30+ Mb/s at some point.

 

[Avalon]

for me its not about being able to fill a hard drive in record time but about nat having to plan and store things becaues my connection is so slow ill spend what feels like half my day waiting for somithng. its like watching a kettle boil if feels like forever and i can tell you taht my crap connection has more or less wasted half my week waiting for things to upload. its immensely frustrating.

In the days when I did download large files regularly I used to automate them with SB and CP or trigger them and via an app for my phone, I came in from work etc and things were downloaded, unpacked, checked, renamed and ready for use. Be it NZB or torrents, it's easily possible using a little thought.

 

[KIA]

I can't even switch provider because no other provider will offer FTTH in my area so I'm stuck with BT's pricing. £48 a month for 76mb and a phone I never use is a bit of a joke really when compared to competitors'..

You'd have a point if you had two FTTP providers to choose from.

 

[Meatball]

My mum and dad's new house in Dorset has finally been enabled for FTTC today!

Estimated speeds are a bit faster than I was expecting considering the line length. The only thing that confuses me is the vast difference in predicted speeds:
Sky's website gives a speed estimate of 40.0-40.0 Mbps ???
Plus net gives a speed estimate of 62-80Mbps
BT gives a speed estimate of 63Mb-80Mb

They have Fibre pro at their current property with Sky, it would be nice to stick with Sky but not if they're going to be that much slower!

What happened to our estimated speeds, they've dropped since the line was taken over from BT to Sky. The FTTC line was active as of Tuesday but they don't complete until Monday. I'm interested to see what speed they get now..

 

[Christmas themed thank]

I wonder how long G.Fast will take to come to BDUK areas.

 

[Armadillo]

What happened to our estimated speeds, they've dropped since the line was taken over from BT to Sky. The FTTC line was active as of Tuesday but they don't complete until Monday. I'm interested to see what speed they get now..

Crosstalk probably.

Probably more people on the cab since last time, and the checker has been updated to reflect the current likely speeds.

 

[Caged]

Sky off their UFO packages at £20 per month for 100mb or £30 a month for the max... I can't even switch provider because no other provider will offer FTTH in my area so I'm stuck with BT's pricing.

Why are you worrying about what Sky/TalkTalk are charging on an FTTP trial they are running?

 

[Meatball]

These are our line stats according to the SR102. "Line testing" started last Tuesday but we only managed to plug the router in yesterday! It since powered off this morning as we tripped the house electrics. This is what we're predicted to get:

Am I right in thinking it will sync at the lowest speed first and then start boosting the speed, providing the line is "capable"?

 

[MissChief]

Those stats don't look good, especially the upstream attenuation. It shouldn't be 0db and you should get more or less the maximum speed straight off the bat. Call Sky and report slow speeds.