Budget gaming build

ZZZAC said:
I got it cheep, but your right, all in all the resale value is rocket high, the 2 cpu's would fetch £500 alone.
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If i were you id sell those CPUs and put that £500 towarda new system.

£500 could probably build you a pretty dam good gaming system.
i5 760, gtx 460, 4 gig ram, not too shabby at all.
 
ZZZAC said:
What do otyou mean by OP?
anyway, im proud of myself for buying what i bought, exept the psu. lol
evan if i dont use all 8 cores on one game, i was going to buy the value primo barebone's and use a 1.86ghz core 2 duo and 2gb of ram. i think my creation is far more exiting
hopefully some parts will arrive in the post today
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fair enough
OP means original Poster, you in other words ;)
 
ashatron said:
If i were you id sell those CPUs and put that £500 towarda new system.

£500 could probably build you a pretty dam good gaming system.
i5 760, gtx 460, 4 gig ram, not too shabby at all.
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i dont understand this

i5 760 vs 2x xeon?

xeon wins with more cores and cache

4gb ram vs 6gb ram

6gb wins for obvious reasons

hd4650 vs gtx 460

gtx 460 wins with better speed and stuff

so all in all i don't feel its worth selling what ive bought and starting over, the only places i feel i went wrong was the graphics card and the Icute psu

After ordering all of my parts can anyone think of any reason to start over and but the machine he speced me?

im pretty proud of myself, id like to see anyone else build a 8 core for a budget of £350.

cut me some slack, yes im in experienenced, im 14
yes i made a couple of mistakes but im in experienenced

i asked for some constructive ideas not for anyone to freely spec me a new computer because im a total F*CK up

sorry im in a bad mood, i just feel ive had people pick on me because i made a couple of mistakes
 
Seraph said:
care to show any game on the market which would use 8 cores of xeon muscle?

OP would have been better off buying a new budget system, also the gfx in the OP's build are below standard, and the mobo prolly offers no option to crossfire or upgrade cpu's
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know i know what you mean by op
yes my cpu's are top spec and un upgradeable (exept for over-clocking)
but really do i need to upgrade 8 cores at 2.33ghz with 16mb chache?

the motheboard supports crossfire and sli. it has 2 pci express ports. i dont think it supports crossfire x (internal without a bridge)

i should got better graphics but the games im playing will not be demanding.

so to end this event full message, how'd you like them apples?:p:p:p
 
ZZZAC said:
i asked for some constructive ideas not for anyone to freely spec me a new computer because im a total F*CK up

sorry im in a bad mood, i just feel ive had people pick on me because i made a couple of mistakes
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calm your jets buzz lightyear.....all hes saying is you dont need dual xeons and maybe if you cashed them in while there worth something you could get far more bang for buck with £500...obviously you came in here to get your ego stroked and that hasnt happened...listen to these guys they know there stuff fella....i thought i knew my stuff but there has been times in here were ive been schooled but i dont throw my toys out the pram......
 
ZZZAC said:
first i was thinking of a sli or crossfire system, and have found that the hd 4650 supports crossfire x.
my motherboard has 2x pice express ports for graphics cards.. but the chipset used on the motherboard is not on the list of compatible crossfire x chipsets. If i find it is compatible i may buy myself another hd 4650 and run it on a crossfire x system, if it isnt i will sell a few parts and save up for a sli or normal crossfire set-up
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hate to burst your bubble, but unless its explicitly stated otherwise, workstation motherboards will not support SLI/crossfire.

ZZZAC said:
Graphics cards are something i need to leant a bit more about, i bought the HD 4650 because it had 1gb of gddr2 memory. it cost me £60 and looked quite nice.
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another thing - you've fallen into the ancient (in the computing world) trap of thinking more memory is better. In fact, it can even lower performance sometimes as the manufacturer has used slower (in this case gddr2 instead of gddr3) memory to keep the costs down. A card with that amount of power will never use 1gb. Im running a hd5770 which also has 1gb ram. the core of the 5770 is 2.5+ times more powerful than the 4650 core, and even that will struggle to use the whole gigabyte constructively. Piling on the memory on a low/mid range graphics cards is simply a manufacturers marketing trick.

I guess you could get lucky with the psu given the comparatively minimal stress you'll be putting it through. I think this has already been said, but be warned - if it does go pop and takes your mini beastie with it there wont be much sympathy on these forums...

on a lighter note (i usually dont nitpick on things to this degree ... promise!), ill be very interested to see how this build progresses, and how it would compare to say an i3 setup as mentioned above. Once you got all the part you want, i wish you good luck!
 
thingemajib said:
seriously, ditch the psu. Go for something of less wattage but better quality. If your icute decided to go pop, it WILL take the other components with it.

Besides, why no less than 800w? those components you specified will struggle to pass 400w, even if you (somehow) overclocked

other than that, i kinda like what you're doing. If you want it to last longer though, i would look for something a tad beefier than the 4670.
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Aretenon said:
Can I have a model number for that iCute PSU? I suspect I know something about it, but it only applies if it is the model which is actually featured on the 80plus website.

You're philosophy for power supplies sounds like it is all wrong. Firstly your system will never use anywhere near 800 watts, so making 800W or above a requirement was a flaw. Plenty of power supplies have the 8-pin EPS12V connector. Another box that you need to add to your criteria is high quality, even if the wattage number does not seem to you to be very high, because, as I said, most systems don't use much power, and yours certainly doesn't. Also having a high quality power supply means that everything in your system is much more likely to work without problems.

I'd say you could have done that system on a 550W PSU, and there are plenty of 650w PSUs around, of known, high quality that around the same price of £70. And that's what we all would have suggested to you.
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ill give you the model number when it arrives, hopefully tommorow.

Just to let you know, the original psu for the xw6400 board is at 575w, and there mostly only 2xdual core versions.
i found that the standard psu makes 575w and thought its better being overpowerd than having a system that wont turn on.

if my psu does go pop i doubt itll bring the rest of my compnents with it, the first time i took apart a computer i pluged it back in and the psu exploded, the rest of the pc was fine though :p
 
well, if you say so :p
btw, quick heads up - are these unkown ATI cards PCIx? If so when you've instaled windows 7 (wont work on xp i dont think), just pop one of the cards in, boot it up and windows should detect it and show you what model it is (when it installs drivers). Hope that helps
 
another heads up - id remove that link if i were you. ocuk dont like competitors being mentioned these forums (yes, that auction site counts as a competitor).

oh, and skulltrail was soo last year :P
 
4650 is more of a media centre type graphics card although you might scrape by on less demanding games. For 60 quid though your best bet would have been a second hand GTX260/4870.

As for the general build its a tad unusual but you live and learn.
 
SouthEastBlue said:
4650 is more of a media centre type graphics card although you might scrape by on less demanding games. For 60 quid though your best bet would have been a second hand GTX260/4870.

As for the general build its a tad unusual but you live and learn.
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depends on what resolution we're talking here. i agree that something more powerful would be preferred, but the 4650 aint that bad. Hell, my laptops 5450 (with 80sp vs the 4650s 320sp) can play source games at around 45-50fps on a 12" 1200x800 screen, and even then i suspect that the 1.2ghz pentium ulv is holding it back just a tad...
 
thingemajib said:
ah, i read your first post as one 4650 and two unknowns
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sorry, it was ment to show

hd 4650 (main)

uknown (extra)
anyway

im not trying to commpete with ocuk, im simply sharing what everyone seems to think was a huge mistak.
i dont care weather a "skulltrail was soo last year"
last year an 8 core build would have cost over 1k, you have to remeber im 14, will not play any highley demanding games (topps black ops)
and this is a low budget build, remember the amount of money you get when your 14 sucks.
im open to advice and learning, i thought i new a lot for my age but obvisuly i know next to nothing.

i admit i was hoping for a little more congrats than telling me 90% of what i bought was a mistake.

i regret jioning this forum now, i thought it was a freidnly place wear people helped each other.

i know i made mistakes, again money is a bit of a bummer.
just because i made mistakes it dont meen i can afford to fix them at the momnet, its exepeerence and i will learn from it, not that i dont trust anyone just i would like to see how it performs first before i decide i made mistakes.

as for it being unusal im sure itll be far better than my 1.8ghx p4.
 
thingemajib said:
depends on what resolution we're talking here. i agree that something more powerful would be preferred, but the 4650 aint that bad. Hell, my laptops 5450 (with 80sp vs the 4650s 320sp) can play source games at around 45-50fps on a 12" 1200x800 screen, and even then i suspect that the 1.2ghz pentium ulv is holding it back just a tad...
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SouthEastBlue said:
For 60 quid though your best bet would have been a second hand GTX260/4870.
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anyway, i didnt feel llike wanting to go for a second hand gpu.

my reason is i sometimes fix xbox 360 console's
all there problems relate to solder overheating and breaking

and once broken once perminantly fixing them is a huge problem
solder flux esapes when they overheat and break. then the solder oxidises and becomes weeker and weeker.
nex thing you know reflowing the solder doesnt work any more and you have to order a replacement.

so for once i thought it would a good idea getting a little less quality brand new with warrenty.

sound fair enough to you? :o
 
I think the main criticism was that you had chosen a platform that's not mainstream, and that has limited upgrade opportunities. Couple that with a PSU and graphics card that could have been improved upon with more knowledge, but it's hard to know what's best when you're learning the ropes so put that down as a lesson learnt.

I'm unsure how your system will perform so I'm still interested in your build and how it will all turn out. :)

PS I've never seen graphics cards melt their solder joints like a 360 so not sure where that fits in. Warranty on the other hand is nice to have.
 
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ZZZAC said:
i regret jioning this forum now, i thought it was a freidnly place wear people helped each other.
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I've been a member of quite a few forums over the years, and this is the only one I've stuck with. Solid advice and no tolerance for swearing etc.

For a gaming machine you have, as has already been said, picked the wrong components. But that's ok, live and learn

In the process of building a budget gaming pc myself. Welcome and good luck with the build.
 
It doesnt really matter in what context the ebay link is used, if a mod sees it, you could end up with a suspension (it is in the rules). Stick around and you'll learn the lingo round here to be able to make your point without bringing the bay into this.

i was just joking about the whole skulltrail thing, loosen up :p

i know ive already said this but i think this will be an interesting one to follow. i like the the core idea, but you perhaps should have done a tad more research on the odd thing here and there. If you are going to share your plans here, 99 times out of 100 you should expect some criticism. thats life :p
 
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