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I don't mean to be rude dg, but having seen videos of GRID2 the handling on that looks abysmal. I haven't played it myself, but having looked at plenty of gameplay videos I rate the realism of grid 2 at marginally above the old ridge racer games, mario kart and burnout (ok, maybe thats a bit harsh but you get my point, its doesnt look anything close to realistic). From what i saw of the GT style of cars in the gameplay videos they drifted round most of the corners and that was the fastest way to go. If you believe that that is the way racing games like pCARS should be then I can totally see why you don't like pCARS. I am not saying that there isn't a place for games like that, but that is not what pCARS is aiming to be.
If you are not thinking that grid 2 is what we should be aiming for but you are thinking something more realistic should be what we are aiming for, such as iRacing without the 'i'm driving on ice' feel, or perhaps some real life racing experience that you have, then as everyone has said, you need to be more constructive with your feedback. Saying 'the physics are crap' as you have done recently is useless because it doesn't tell anyone what needs improving. Saying something like 'the cars spin too much' is slightly useful but really requires more detail for the devs to be able to pull any meaningful information from. saying something like "most of the cars lose the back end too quickly when powering out of a slow turn" is the kind of feedback that would be helpful, especially if you said what cars and what turn of what track.
regarding the 'this fancy tech is making things worse' comments. Did you play this game in the early days? back then the handling was pretty poor, but they worked with the tech they had to make things better and things gradually improved to a pretty good state. Then when new tech was introduced it felt like a big step back was made. However, things gradually improved to a point beyond what the previous tech had managed each time. There are several things that have just been introduced, so its no surprise that some cars have taken a backwards step as this tech has been introduced. I know the lotus 49 took a massive step backwards recently but i fully expect it to go back to the wonderful car that it was a few weeks ago once the new tech has been sorted
If it helps, the easiest car to drive I have found is the lotus 78, so if you are having trouble with general control of the car then try that. It might be an old car, but the ground effect gave it a lot of downforce for is era and it has a very manageable amount of power. Unless i'm driving like an absolute idiot I find it very difficult to spin the car at all
If you are not thinking that grid 2 is what we should be aiming for but you are thinking something more realistic should be what we are aiming for, such as iRacing without the 'i'm driving on ice' feel, or perhaps some real life racing experience that you have, then as everyone has said, you need to be more constructive with your feedback. Saying 'the physics are crap' as you have done recently is useless because it doesn't tell anyone what needs improving. Saying something like 'the cars spin too much' is slightly useful but really requires more detail for the devs to be able to pull any meaningful information from. saying something like "most of the cars lose the back end too quickly when powering out of a slow turn" is the kind of feedback that would be helpful, especially if you said what cars and what turn of what track.
regarding the 'this fancy tech is making things worse' comments. Did you play this game in the early days? back then the handling was pretty poor, but they worked with the tech they had to make things better and things gradually improved to a pretty good state. Then when new tech was introduced it felt like a big step back was made. However, things gradually improved to a point beyond what the previous tech had managed each time. There are several things that have just been introduced, so its no surprise that some cars have taken a backwards step as this tech has been introduced. I know the lotus 49 took a massive step backwards recently but i fully expect it to go back to the wonderful car that it was a few weeks ago once the new tech has been sorted
If it helps, the easiest car to drive I have found is the lotus 78, so if you are having trouble with general control of the car then try that. It might be an old car, but the ground effect gave it a lot of downforce for is era and it has a very manageable amount of power. Unless i'm driving like an absolute idiot I find it very difficult to spin the car at all
i think the handling was actually better with the original i think it was shift handling.
some may disagree fair enough but now it is like cars under steer for no reason or over steer just everything . its not even one car is supposed to over steer for eg its just they do what they want at random times.
i go on belgium after a new build have probably 5 to 6 laps with fav cars to gauge the handling.
after first few corners you can usually tell.
cars like f1 or formula b cars shouldn't be spinning out or under steering at such low speeds into corners and such.
dry track mid day sun on slicks and spinning out or no grip at low speeds just no. that's nothing to do with skill that's to do with the cars are not right.
thing is when this was first out you could absolutely hammer the cars and drive em like you stole em now its like there's a 50 mph corner will i even make it at 20 mph ? you know its a 50 but you know more than likely cause of the handling it will probably just spin.
what makes it worse is if you have actually been in some of the cars in the game some are nothing like them what so ever. then you report on a forum then they say its alpha bro
some may disagree fair enough but now it is like cars under steer for no reason or over steer just everything . its not even one car is supposed to over steer for eg its just they do what they want at random times.
i go on belgium after a new build have probably 5 to 6 laps with fav cars to gauge the handling.
after first few corners you can usually tell.
cars like f1 or formula b cars shouldn't be spinning out or under steering at such low speeds into corners and such.
dry track mid day sun on slicks and spinning out or no grip at low speeds just no. that's nothing to do with skill that's to do with the cars are not right.
thing is when this was first out you could absolutely hammer the cars and drive em like you stole em now its like there's a 50 mph corner will i even make it at 20 mph ? you know its a 50 but you know more than likely cause of the handling it will probably just spin.
what makes it worse is if you have actually been in some of the cars in the game some are nothing like them what so ever. then you report on a forum then they say its alpha bro
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It should be able to glide through a corner under speed and off power but surely oversteer is a constant threat when accelerating
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i think the handling was actually better with the original i think it was shift handling.
some may disagree fair enough but now it is like cars under steer for no reason or over steer just everything . its not even one car is supposed to over steer for eg its just they do what they want at random times.
i go on belgium after a new build have probably 5 to 6 laps with fav cars to gauge the handling.
after first few corners you can usually tell.
cars like f1 or formula b cars shouldn't be spinning out or under steering at such low speeds into corners and such.
dry track mid day sun on slicks and spinning out or no grip at low speeds just no. that's nothing to do with skill that's to do with the cars are not right.
thing is when this was first out you could absolutely hammer the cars and drive em like you stole em now its like there's a 50 mph corner will i even make it at 20 mph ? you know its a 50 but you know more than likely cause of the handling it will probably just spin.
what makes it worse is if you have actually been in some of the cars in the game some are nothing like them what so ever. then you report on a forum then they say its alpha bro
F1 cars are more likely to spin at low speed than high speed because the down force doesn't work at low speeds.
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but you liked the original handling which was shift 2 lol... you only hated the game when they swapping the tyre model to one which will be semi realism
this also explains why you like grid2 so much
if you watch F1 you will often hear radio messages telling a driver there is to much wheel spin out of the slow corners and they are ruining the tyres. (even when no rubber is left on the track surface and you can't even tell it's happening without telemetry) I think people get the wrong impression that F1 cars have perfect grip levels in low/med speed corners
in real life we are told an F1 car does not grip the road like it's on rails it is constantly micro sliding, watch the slow mo's and you can clearly see how the cars slowly drift in the slow corners
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Decided to test out the Formula B at Spa to see if any of DGs claims were correct, I wasn't getting any major understeer or major oversteer. The car seemed pretty predictable and no low speed spins either...
I recorded my third lap. I apologise for the terrible driving but you can see that after 3 laps its easy to drive around the track at a not terrible speed
I recorded my third lap. I apologise for the terrible driving but you can see that after 3 laps its easy to drive around the track at a not terrible speed
no its just you try to troll every post i do and i thought you may have something to back up the cars handling yet you post a video of a lap which basically anyone could do blinded folded probably quicker.
20-30 secs off a lap is terrible just being honest. i want to compete if im playing it all you did is confirmed what i said about terrible handling.
20-30 secs off a lap is terrible just being honest. i want to compete if im playing it all you did is confirmed what i said about terrible handling.
fastest is
That's not the point though you don't need an alien lap to determine how a car handles at different corner speeds.
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I'm sure you'd be able to beat the fastest lap time in the world from a standing start after 2 laps.
Sorry almighty DG who is the greatest at all games
I'm sure you'd be able to beat the fastest lap time in the world from a standing start after 2 laps.
Sorry almighty DG who is the greatest at all games
I'd ignore him I don't believe he even has a pcars account unless he posts on the wmd forums in general discussion to prove it.
I remember he said he had a refund in this thread search his posts.
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i got a refund nearly year and half ago
so keep a junior build lap times that would keep it simple and not just make it about money
worst thing about this is my friend who was told if anyone wants a refund post he did and was told to stop posting crap
if thats the clowns that run this god help them.
refund recieved thank god.
and theres more but I can't be bothered to quote all of them
I reckon he got banned for posting the types of feedback he gives in this thread which as pointed out if not constructive feed back.
now he is on some revenge campaign against SMS
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the point is if you had great handling then you should be able if done well to do reasonable timed laps.
murray you had a g27 wheel and you doing it slower than a keyboard player whos blind folded. the time you are doing is really really slow.
so how does your video illustrate great handling ?
that is what i was getting at. wont argue with you no more as there is no point the only ones replying are the pro project cars boys.
also murray its not about being better its you just posted a video of you going round basically so slow that what does it actually point point out ?
nothing ! it doesn't illustrate good handling because you arnt driving fast enough to show how the car works .
as i said put a decent lap in doesn't have to be the fastest time but when doing so dont just add the edited versions or the one perfect lap you did add some off the others where you breaked and nothing happened or you turned and it didn't turn or it didn't go round corner or spins out for no reason lol .
murray you had a g27 wheel and you doing it slower than a keyboard player whos blind folded. the time you are doing is really really slow.
so how does your video illustrate great handling ?
that is what i was getting at. wont argue with you no more as there is no point the only ones replying are the pro project cars boys.
also murray its not about being better its you just posted a video of you going round basically so slow that what does it actually point point out ?
nothing ! it doesn't illustrate good handling because you arnt driving fast enough to show how the car works .
as i said put a decent lap in doesn't have to be the fastest time but when doing so dont just add the edited versions or the one perfect lap you did add some off the others where you breaked and nothing happened or you turned and it didn't turn or it didn't go round corner or spins out for no reason lol .
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You claimed that the cars were undriveable at slow speeds. Now you're saying that driving slowing doesn't represent your point fairly.
Make your mind up.
Make your mind up.
http://forum.wmdportal.com/showthread.php?14814-OCUK-Members-anounce-your-self-here
can you add your self to this list if your from ocuk? love to see you post there DG
can you add your self to this list if your from ocuk? love to see you post there DG
you should give him a ban for trolling if he is not able to post on the wmd forums proving he has an account.
look how many times hes said he has had a refund in my quotes of his above.
all he does is come here and bash the game I seriously suspect he is just trolling us
DG if you do prove you own pcars still I will happily ignore your posts about pcars in the future