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C2D v X2 = Not as good as you think?
- Thread starter FatRakoon
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just figured out conroe is so hyped its unbelievable, its just an extention of your body to say 'my processor does superpi in 10 seconds whereas yours takes 30' well conroe has failed so badly IMO, to be so much faster in super-pi and only about an average of 10% (don't bother nit picking and quoting crap, its just an estimation) faster in games and such, its really quite bad really, suggests conroe simply likes super-pi, nothing more, intel had years to come up with that, and to offer such little improvements over there rivals OLD architecture is really quite confusing, if thats all intel have got K8L will stuff there lines, look at the specifications and see why 
the lead K8 had over netburst in games was simply shocking and the lead conroe has over K8 in games isn't as far as its made out to be, looking forward to getting my 65nm athlon to be honest, see how fast they clock
the lead K8 had over netburst in games was simply shocking and the lead conroe has over K8 in games isn't as far as its made out to be, looking forward to getting my 65nm athlon to be honest, see how fast they clockGashman said:
The benchmarks show the difference to be more like 25% at stock. I don't see that as nit-picking - the truth is significantly different to what you're saying. Conroe's advantage also increases significantly through overclocking, with the E6300 frequently clocking by close to 100%.
Conroe is particularly good at SuperPi, but you can't expect it to be twice as fast per clock in every other application - that just doesn't happen. 25% more performance before overclocking is significant when we're talking about CPUs - Athlon 64 didn't initially improve that much over AthlonXP, and the first P4s didn't improve over P3 at all. It's certainly not bad.
Gashman said:
I agree with you in part, but would not go as far as you have.
It has been too much overhyped, but I think its been overhyped by those who dont actually need or even use the power it can give.
Im not going to categorise any individuals here, but the main reason most have bought a conroe is beause of the hype, and there are many people who actually do feel that perhaps they did spend on theirs when their AMD was more than efficient for their needs ( Even wants ) and so many are really tryign to justify their spending.
I know I have.
While I am totally glad that I have spent on mine, and I would not have it any other way, I also wish, that I had not even bothered, and just got to use my mates more instead.
My conroe is now back up in the attic ( The attic is converted into a LAN Room and it does get used every day ) and I have brought my AMD back down, because the AMD does everythign that the Conroe does, and while the conroe may very well finish TASK "X" long before the AMD does, the fact that I also want it to run TASKS "B to Z" at the same time as Task "A" and I also need it to do other stuff in the meantime, such as play a few rounds on UT for example, the AMD is showing me that it can do all those much better than the conroe can...
End result is quite simply that the AMD for me feels much better, much cleaner and does not lag as badly as the conroe does... Or rather as much as the conroe can.
Dont get me wrong here... As I keep saying.
Task "A" on the conroe is done much quicker than it can be done on the AMD
But tasks "A-Z" at the same time cannot.
Its as if it can run the tasks faster than the AMD, but when it keeps jumping between each task, it stops off for a brew all the time.
FatRakoon said:
I think there maybe something wrong with your conroe rig.
Conroe is faster thats it.
You can analyse it all you want it is.
And saying people dont need the extra power is BS IMO
Everyone wants a faster pc.
Yeah - they may be something wrong with his setup, and no one is saying that Conroe isn't faster at a single task... but he's the guy who has used the two systems side by side and we can only assume he's reporting back what he's seeing!easyrider said:
I would also say there is something wrong with his C2D rig... I don't know how to load mine down so far that notepad takes 3 seconds to open... even with a multi threaded video encoder running pushing both cores for as much CPU time as they can get, downloading 3 torrents with 500 connections, playing music from iTunes and running enemy territory in a window, notepad still opens instantly and it quick and responsive in use.
the gap is never as big as u expect no matter what the hype is its all marketing how many times have you upgraded to think be honest you put new parts in and think great but after a while you know its not much faster than old system unless you make a massive leap from say pentium 3 to a top pentium 4 or amd eqivilent take my barton setup 3200 it could do everything i thrown at it and ive got a am2 3800x2 now and i wouldnt say its much faster no matter what bs benchmarks say thats y we all buy this new stuff cause we believe the hype when you know deep down it wont b that much of a increase.
Mattus said:
lol hence estimation (in other words a wild guess), intel simply screwed up with netburst, and they've followed AMDs trend, and it has done them well, im curious how they got so much clock speed from a processor with shorter pipelines than K8
sure intel have the crown, but K8 doesn't do that badly considering its out-dated, made by a company that is about a hundredth (another wild guess) of the size of intel, i still believe AMD were more successful with K8 than intel will ever be with conroe, the sheer economical power and R&D power intel has should have produced something faster than conroe, i mean just think about it for a minute, thats like me making a car in my backgarden and loosing to the pagani zonda C12 by 5 seconds or something in a 1 minute lap, thats staggeringly impressive considering the difference in company scale.AMD are flying high after there K8 success, as long as they get K8L out in the early part of next year (Q1 - early Q2) they'll be fine, and still being that thorn in intels side
i think in the next few years the performance crown will change hands more than it has in the past decade, now AMD own ATI there gaining revenue from there company as well, so again all the better for them and with regards to intel, brilliant job with conroe, but competition keeps technology progressing and enjoy your stay at the top, they've earned it 
K8L is not gonna be the savior of AMD, and quite likely its gonna be embarassing even...
conroes are good chips and provide all the performance you need for gaming and most other uses right now at half the cost of any AMD cpu that is even close, if AMD cpus were cheaper then it wouldn't be so bad... but they are not.
conroes are good chips and provide all the performance you need for gaming and most other uses right now at half the cost of any AMD cpu that is even close, if AMD cpus were cheaper then it wouldn't be so bad... but they are not.
But thats exactly what they said about the conroe against the AMD too!
With the ATI GPU being built into the AMD CPU, its going to ( Perhaps? ) cut out the need for Physics cards and deliver far more gamign power than an Intel CPU alone can provide ( Depends on what p/review you read there )
Then again, Its often best to ignore 99% of what you read / hear as its almost all spin and speculation.
I dobelieve however, that AMDs decision could actually be something as bad as that they know that Intel have taken the crown from them in such a big way, that they simply will not be able to compete... If their next run of CPUs dont knock the hell out of the Conroe, then I really do think that it will mark the end of AMD as a CPU SuperPower.
With the ATI GPU being built into the AMD CPU, its going to ( Perhaps? ) cut out the need for Physics cards and deliver far more gamign power than an Intel CPU alone can provide ( Depends on what p/review you read there )
Then again, Its often best to ignore 99% of what you read / hear as its almost all spin and speculation.
I dobelieve however, that AMDs decision could actually be something as bad as that they know that Intel have taken the crown from them in such a big way, that they simply will not be able to compete... If their next run of CPUs dont knock the hell out of the Conroe, then I really do think that it will mark the end of AMD as a CPU SuperPower.
Gashman said:lol agreed, so quite simply they have to beat conroe with there next generation, or there boned
no... if they just had to beat the conroe then _maybe_ the K8L could be AMD's savior, but by the time K8L see the light of day the conroe will be yesterdays news, as quaint as the P4 Dual cores seems today...
Gashman said:and what makes you think K8L is gonna be an 'embarrasement', besides the fact its a HUGE revision of the already (not THAT slower than conroe) K8?
clock for clock the K8 is 25% slower than a conroe, while in some areas it is almost as fast as a conroe, maybe even beating it in some a few small areas, the conroe absolutely trashes it in most applications...
