Can a cisgendered actor play a trans character?

People are just ridiculous. We're all for freedom and integration, then people find some 'hidden agenda' in it and there's hell on.
 
Isn't Cisgender a perfectly logical word to use in place of where there wasn't one already?

I.e, it's a lot easier to say 'Cisgender' than ''Born Male or Female and identifies as Male or female respectively' (if I'm understanding the term correctly).

Will people also stop saying 'Straight'. You can be cisgender and gay so Straight != Cisgender. This isn't a discussion about sexuality. It's a discussion about sex. They are not the same.
 
Gender should be defined for life by your determined gender at birth or what it is proven to be biologically. It's not possible to biologically change gender therefore it shouldn't be possible legally, either.

I'm not 'cis', I'm a male. What would the trans community do if 'cis' people started labelling the word cisgender as discriminatory? :D
 
dowie said:
As I've already pointed out if you can't understand that basic point that the n word is (in wider usage) very offensive then that chain of discussion is a bit pointless. And no, I don't care if your bestist mate is black.
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It totally depends on the context when using that word. In every sentence you have written you could have used the word and it shouldn't cause anyone any offence as you are not actually referring to anyone in particular reference the word you are simply stating the word as a word and nothing more.

One issue is that people do not understand context and as soon as they hear that word mention regardless of context they scream I'm offended or that's racist bla bla bla when actually they're just dumb idiots who are showing that they lack being educated enough to understand that the word can be used in the right context. The way the world is going these days depresses me :(
 
Gixer said:
It totally depends on the context when using that word. In every sentence you have written you could have used the word and it shouldn't cause anyone any offence as you are not actually referring to anyone in particular reference the word you are simply stating the word as a word and nothing more.

One issue is that people do not understand context and as soon as they hear that word mention regardless of context they scream I'm offended or that's racist bla bla bla when actually they're just dumb idiots who are showing that they lack being educated enough to understand that the word can be used in the right context. The way the world is going these days depresses me :(
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I've not said it can never be used and I'm not discounting context either - I've quite specifically talked about wider usage there.
 
yer_averagejoe said:
Isn't Cisgender a perfectly logical word to use in place of where there wasn't one already?

I.e, it's a lot easier to say 'Cisgender' than ''Born Male or Female and identifies as Male or female respectively' (if I'm understanding the term correctly).
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It's even easier to say male or female. Or did you skip biology class?
 
dowie said:
exactly thus 'healthy' doesn't work as an answer, it is a term for someone who is healthy in general not specific to anxiety

cis is specific to gender disorders
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So? Healthy separates those suffering an illness with those who don't. I'm not sure why you're taking my point to the extreme that everything has to have an opposite.

Yes it is:

http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender dysphoria fact sheet.pdf
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Apologies, I've read the link, and gone elsewhere but can't see where it states that gender identity issues is a mental illness. Apparently as well gender dysphoria only relates to the "discontent experienced by some persons resulting from gender identity issues" which is something I didn't know before!

Which is useful because I can't spell the word dysphoria...

The point still stands - why do we need a term for people not suffering from gender disorders? Do you think there should be a term for people who don't suffer from anxiety? Depression? Cancer? etc..
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Because it's easier than writing people not suffering from gender disorders. I don't really care if there's a word for it or not but I certainly appreciate the fact there are fewer key strokes.

Why do you actually care so much that there is a word for it?

Point was that people with these disorders or illnesses deviate from the norm, every condition doesn't require an opposite term for people who don't have that condition. CIS is frequently used in a derogatory manner by a fringe group so it is hardly surprising that some people object to it.
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Yes it is used in a derogatory manner and that should be challenged and stopped. And no, not everything needs an opposite word, but that doesn't mean that it can't have one either.
 
Kuros said:
Indeed, listed on that very website is "Gender dysphoria is a recognised medical condition, for which treatment is sometimes appropriate. It's not a mental illness."

I recall some time ago that it was done for funding reasons, (I remember having to do a module on this at university)
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For the point I was making it matters very little whether it is a medical condition or mental condition. DSM, WHO have it as a mental disorder, the NHS a medical condition... so what?

Point was do we need a special label for people who don't have cancer? Do we have a special label for people who don't suffer from anxiety?
 
dowie said:
Point was do we need a special label for people who don't have cancer? Do we have a special label for people who don't suffer from anxiety?
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Filing in a form for those things is a yes/no answer.
Do you have cancer?
Do you suffer from anxiety?

Gender is a bit different.
What is your gender?
 
Pudney said:
Because it's easier than writing people not suffering from gender disorders. I don't really care if there's a word for it or not but I certainly appreciate the fact there are fewer key strokes.

Why do you actually care so much that there is a word for it?
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I don't - any more than you care so much that there is.

I'm stating my position that I don't see the need for it and highlighting the flaws in arguments for it so far.

Fact is it is often used in a derogatory way so people are perfectly entitled to object to it or ignore its use.
 
dowie said:
I don't - any more than you care so much that there is.

I'm stating my position that I don't see the need for it and highlighting the flaws in arguments for it so far.

Fact is it is often used in a derogatory way so people are perfectly entitled to object to it or ignore its use.
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Ok, let's disagree on this!

Although you should read more on the gender dysphoria links (seriously not in a argumentative way) given it appears gender dysphoria doesn't actually mean where someone feels they were born/are living as the wrong gender.
 
cheesyboy said:
Filing in a form for those things is a yes/no answer.
Do you have cancer?
Do you suffer from anxiety?

Gender is a bit different.
What is your gender?
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What on earth is going on in your head.

Also that question usually comes with two tick boxes.

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