Can you prove that God does not exist?

Because it's the human condition to attempt to explain the inexplainable (natural disasters, for example) by placing the blame on a higher being with supposedly good intentions.
 
Dolph said:
Those who try and convince others to think their way, whatever view they hold, are only really either expressing their own insecurity or a desire to control.
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Or they like a good argument?
 
AcidHell2 said:
it's still possible though isn't it? aI have described a method of determining the core. Enough money and it's totally possible to drill to that depth, it's not going to happen but it's certainly possible..
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Wouldn't that essentially create a volcano? :eek:
 
Can't we all just agree that "Can you prove that God exists?" is a meaningless question, just like "What colour is Wednesday?"? Meaningless questions are slightly unworthy of debate imo.

And yes, this thread should have ended very early on.
 
Vegetarian said:
After reading recent forum posts about evolution, it always turns into God v science!

Who is right or wrong? It would be easier that God does not exist to some scientists. However science is forever changing, theory’s once set in stone are discovered to be wrong and changed. In same way, things in bible scientists and historians said were wrong are later proved correct! Who shall we trust in… an ever-changing science or a never changing God?

I don’t know a single person that does not believe in God… even the hardened atheist admits there’s something out there they cant explain!

Please can this not be some stupid christian bashing thread - only inteligent discusion please lol :D
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Yes.
 
Vegetarian said:
I don’t know a single person that does not believe in God… even the hardened atheist admits there’s something out there they cant explain!
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So there must be a god because I personally can't explain the entire workings of the universe?
 
Dolph said:
Depends whether you believe that absence of evidence is the same thing as evidence of absence, and whether your standards of evidence are relevant to the matter at hand. Demanding proof of an untestable hypothesis, then assuming it must be false (rather than unproven) only shows your faith in logical positivism, not any rationality on your part.
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If a hypothesis is untestable, it's not scientific enough.
 
I cannot believe in this day in age, that we are still squabbling over the possibility of a God. The whole idea is absurd and the sooner everyone stops being so bloody ignorant, the sooner we, as a people, can move on.

He doesn't exist. Get a grip.
 
Mr.Clark said:
If a hypothesis is untestable, it's not scientific enough.
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But a hypothesis that is too narrow yields worthless results and does not answer anything useful...
 
Conscript said:
I cannot believe in this day in age, that we are still squabbling over the possibility of a God. The whole idea is absurd and the sooner everyone stops being so bloody ignorant, the sooner we, as a people, can move on.

He doesn't exist. Get a grip.
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i agree.
 
Conscript said:
I cannot believe in this day in age, that we are still squabbling over the possibility of a God. The whole idea is absurd and the sooner everyone stops being so bloody ignorant, the sooner we, as a people, can move on.

He doesn't exist. Get a grip.
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Your faith is worth no more than anybody elses, and your apparent arrogance regarding the validity of your view is just as ignorant as those you would presumably criticise.
 
That maybe so. But everyday I see stories in the news of more Islamic fundamentalism and hatred preached by religions and it just pains me that we are all fighting over the existence or non-existence of some deity who, as far as I can see, has done very little help mankind. To me, God is nothing more than a fairy story used by religion to scare people into submission. It's not ignorance. It's a conviction born out of an education in history which has taught me that religion has been not much more than a blight on the progress of humanity.

It's arrogant, yes. But Im not particularly bothered. Why is such a taboo to attack other people's faith? We are allowed to criticise many aspects of someone's life, but faith, it seems, is something we all just have to accept, even though it seems the most unlogical and baffling thing for someone into believe in. But you cant attack it because "It's what I believe in!"
 
Both God and science require faith. You can't claim that science is right because such and such evidence arise from a scientific test. You have faith that these data is accurate, that the people who run the test and the equipment involved are not wrong.

Conscript said:
I cannot believe in this day in age, that we are still squabbling over the possibility of a God. The whole idea is absurd and the sooner everyone stops being so bloody ignorant, the sooner we, as a people, can move on.

He doesn't exist. Get a grip.
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You claim God is male, and the same time that He doesn't exist? You seem to be contradicting yourself here :D

On a more serious note, people with your mentality do no good, you may believe to God or not, but calling someone with a different faith than you ignorant only makes you look ignorant.
 
Conscript said:
That maybe so. But everyday I see stories in the news of more Islamic fundamentalism and hatred preached by religions and it just pains me that we are all fighting over the existence or non-existence of some deity who, as far as I can see, has done very little help mankind. To me, God is nothing more than a fairy story used by religion to scare people into submission. It's not ignorance. It's a conviction born out of an education in history which has taught me that religion has been not much more than a blight on the progress of humanity.
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Organised religion is the problem there, not faith itself. People desire power and will use various means to gain in, Organised religion has been one such tool over the years, but far from the only one.

It's arrogant, yes. But Im not particularly bothered. Why is such a taboo to attack other people's faith? We are allowed to criticise many aspects of someone's life, but faith, it seems, is something we all just have to accept, even though it seems the most unlogical and baffling thing for someone into believe in. But you cant attack it because "It's what I believe in!"
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It's not taboo, it's just a little hypocritical considering your entire viewpoint is based on your own faith ;) You cannot take a stance on an untestable hypothesis on anything other than faith, and the existance or non-existance of god(s) is exactly that. Hence any claim of rationality or logic is rather spurious, as you're just like they are in that you've decided what you believe and wish to present it as true, despite lack of verification.

The only view that's logical or rational is agnosticism, not atheism, the idea that god is unknown, unknowable or irrelevant. Your claim that you know the answer is your faith, but you wish to use your faith to attack other peoples, and you wonder why people say you shouldn't do that...
 
Pyro....I only call God male because when I was a child, that's what I was taught...that "God" is a "He". Christianity always refers to God as male, so Im just using that as my understanding of what God is believed to be.

Dolph....I often try to look at it as having no faith. I enjoy the study of science and appreciate it's efforts to understand the world through the use of evidence and experimentation. Tangible evidence that we can use to understand the way the universe works. Pyro, you say it requires faith to believe in that. Well, I guess. But science at least promotes and encourages us to question things and to prove their existence; religion, it seems, explains things as being the way they are because "We said it's that way".

You've hit the nail on the head with organised religion Dolph. Im not so down on God as an idea. I don't believe in "him", but some people need something to believe in, to provide them with comfort. But it should be a private thing. Organised religion just seems to capitalise on the idea of God as a way of manipulating people, and I despise it, especially when I see more footage of people being killed by suicide bombers who believe that killing innocents will give them a fast-track to paradise. That's the sort of thing which makes me think that we are tearing ourselves apart as a species.

(Edit: Im just on my way out now, and this kinda annoys me, because I always get involved in interesting topics just before I need to go do something. Ill come back for a look later though..thx for the discussion ;))
 
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God does not exist because I have stared at the sky many times during my life, and at no time have I seen an old man with a long beard floating by on a cloud.
 
Conscript said:
Dolph....I often try to look at it as having no faith. I enjoy the study of science and appreciate it's efforts to understand the world through the use of evidence and experimentation. Tangible evidence that we can use to understand the way the universe works. Pyro, you say it requires faith to believe in that. Well, I guess. But science at least promotes and encourages us to question things and to prove their existence; religion, it seems, explains things as being the way they are because "We said it's that way".
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Just a small point, science doesn't try to understand the world, it tries to predict it's behaviour. It's a small but fundamental difference. Accurate prediction does not have to involve a factually accurate mechanism, and indeed many mechanisms with science are irreducible, so we have no way of knowing whether the predictively accurate mechanism is also truthful. To believe that it is requires faith.

You've hit the nail on the head with organised religion Dolph. Im not so down on God as an idea. I don't believe in "him", but some people need something to believe in, to provide them with comfort. But it should be a private thing. Organised religion just seems to capitalise on the idea of God as a way of manipulating people, and I despise it, especially when I see more footage of people being killed by suicide bombers who believe that killing innocents will give them a fast-track to paradise. That's the sort of thing which makes me think that we are tearing ourselves apart as a species.
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We'd do that with or without religion, if it wasn't organised religion, it would be something else (see Stalin for an obvious example).
 
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